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1347 · 12-22-2022, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

Someone on one of the post said they talked to the person in charge of making the change to the AHFS. That he received a bunch of phone calls about the last change and decided to change it again. What's a bunch of phone calls. Fifty ,sixty. There are a thousand plus of us that have Stock Eliminator cars. So the 350/255 Hp 1969 Chevy was mentioned as an example. Racers with that combo played the go slow to keep your average down game and didn't get HP. Good for them. I like to take a look at Indy without the AHFS in play. You don't get all of the different combo's there but you do get quite a few. Take the H/SA class. When was the last time a 255 Hp 350 has won it? That class has been dominated the last almost ten years by a 305 chevy. I don't think that combo should get HP either. Rod and Chris have spent a lot of time and money to get their car to go that fast. It's my opinion that this last change to the AHFS is a JOKE and a SLAP in the face to any of us that still care about making their car one of the fastest in the class that they run. BP

Barry, maybe it's because if you look at the Nitro Joe stats for 2022. 17 350 255 cars went a second under, out of those 8 went 1.10 under, and 1 car went 1.369 under. So it was capable of hitting a trigger 17 times with different cars. even when it did at races where it counted, it had enough slower cars to keep the average down. These new rules are gonna wreak havoc on me also being there are only 2 of us in the country running my combo.
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Tim Barrett · 12-22-2022, 07:55 PM

Hi Duane,,some of Joe's data was obtained from National Opens which I think dont count for AHFS consideration. My 1.179 was purposely done under mineshaft conditions. 2023 no mineshaft so this ET will never happen again along with a class win,,unless things happen a certain way. Divisional and National wins are more important than a class win,,for us,,got one. Haven't seen Dan,Joe,Allison and many others worry about a class win as much as the real Wally's. I never would have thought how much a Divisional Wally means till we won two.

Larry Hill · 12-22-2022, 08:29 PM

A class win is a real Wally

B Parker · 12-22-2022, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

A class win is a real Wally

Hey Larry, It used to be more important to me than it is now. I'd rather not take the HP hit. At Indy without the AHFS in play I will try hard. This year I had 2 left feet and a car that broke something on every run. It's going to be interesting trying to get into the Gator Nationals not knowing when they will open the web site. If I'm fast on the computer and able to get in I will see you at the Baby Gators. And I will not run faster than .85 under if I can help it unless they change the AHFS. Hope you and Patsy have a great Christmas. Thanks to both of you putting in the effort threw the years keeping us posted on what's happening at races we weren't able to make it to. Barry

grncpe · 12-22-2022, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

A class win is a real Wally

Exactly!

Tim Barrett · 12-23-2022, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

A class win is a real Wally

Hi Larry,, I know a class win you get a real class winner Wally,,my point for me is,,I ain't hurting my index for a class winner Wally. I have one class win from the Baby Gators and I'm very proud of it,but I've talked to many racers that would love to win a Divisional Wally and give up their class Wally's.
Some Dragracers only focus on a class win and are happy with that,,god bless them,,but we travel to much and hopefully I can save my index until my final,,heads up at a National.
And Duane Hoven,,you dont think that the folks at NHRA dont look at 660' increments.
Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Hope Santa bring you lots of joy and happiness!!! And some,,,lots of beer!!

Billy Nees · 12-23-2022, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Barrett

Merry Christmas everyone!!!
Hope Santa bring you lots of joy and happiness!!! And some,,,lots of beer!!

Tim, do you think that you could ask Santa to make mine Cuervo?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good light!

Tim Barrett · 12-23-2022, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Tim, do you think that you could ask Santa to make mine Cuervo?
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good light!

Hi Billy,,I'm sure if you've been a good boy,,,Santa might bring you,,Cuervo,,what ever that is!!

1347 · 12-22-2022, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Barrett

Hi Duane,,slot of Joe's data was obtained from National Opens which I think dont count for AHFS consideration. My 1.179 was purposely done under mineshaft conditions. 2023 no mineshaft so this ET will never happen again along with a class win,,unless things happen a certain way. Divisional and National wins are more important than a class win,,for us,,got one. Haven't seen Dan,Joe,Allison and many others worry about a class win as much as the real Wally's. I never would have thought how much a Divisional Wally means till we won two.

Tim, I know it doesn't count, I went 1.10 under at the Dutch too, But that doesn't mean NHRA doesn't look at those numbers, they just can't use it in their rules in AHFS. Don't think they don't look at those numbers and take note.

B Parker · 12-22-2022, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

Barry, maybe it's because if you look at the Nitro Joe stats for 2022. 17 350 255 cars went a second under, out of those 8 went 1.10 under, and 1 car went 1.369 under. So it was capable of hitting a trigger 17 times with different cars. even when it did at races where it counted, it had enough slower cars to keep the average down. These new rules are gonna wreak havoc on me also being there are only 2 of us in the country running my combo.
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Duane the 1.36 under was at the Atco open. Ronnie gave it a great tune up. That may have been the best air I have been in in all the 40 plus years I have been racing. Didn't Todd go 9.40's in double A? Not everyone ran their car real hard at that race or there would have been a lot more 1.20 under runs. Looking at Joe stats don't really tell the story about how fast all the combo's are. Some will run their stuff hard while others try to protect their combo. The guy on the West Coast likes to be number one and runs the 350/255 combo. I still think Indy is a better indicator but not a perfect one. Several there try to win the eliminator and don't really care if they win class.

How far under can the other person that runs your combo go?
Would your combo been able to HP off if you requested it?
If you had someone give you 20 grand to spend on the car how much faster could you get it to go? Just curious.

12-22-2022, 07:55 PM	#2
Tim Barrett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Fort Ann New York State Posts: 142 Likes: 960 Liked 468 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Baby Gator's Hi Duane,,some of Joe's data was obtained from National Opens which I think dont count for AHFS consideration. My 1.179 was purposely done under mineshaft conditions. 2023 no mineshaft so this ET will never happen again along with a class win,,unless things happen a certain way. Divisional and National wins are more important than a class win,,for us,,got one. Haven't seen Dan,Joe,Allison and many others worry about a class win as much as the real Wally's. I never would have thought how much a Divisional Wally means till we won two. Last edited by Tim Barrett; 12-23-2022 at 08:08 AM.

12-22-2022, 08:29 PM	#3
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