65-85 under.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

I would say Pontiac folks have the least amount of approved aftermarket parts.

Ya can put any of the B-O-P Racers on that list.
When is the last time a B-O-P Racer got a bigger cam or a change in the weight of the rotating assy.?

[jeff_kovalik]

Let's go with M-B-O-P as the leaders of Stock oppression. Common issues for all four.

Regardless, we all try our best with the rules & parts we have. All of us have to be a little crazy for doing this.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by jeff_kovalik

Let's go with M-B-O-P as the leaders of Stock oppression. Common issues for all four.

Regardless, we all try our best with the rules & parts we have. All of us have to be a little crazy for doing this.

No,no M! They've gotten more than their share of "handouts" over the years!

[Larry Hill]

Does the M stand for Mercury. I can’t believe how much cam and Dove heads they received. Oh fudge I forgot about the 735 cfm carb. I know what CFM stands for us Mo Par’s

[Frank Castros]

You can build a 1969 Camaro 396/375 without using an original OEM part?

[Frank Castros]

The Rule Book "enhancements" have enabled this crap. The old guard of the NHRA Rule Book (i.e; Farmer, Greg X and the like) paved a better way of enforcing the rules by employing good qualified people with the dedication to the book.

A great Division Director, as a leader must see rules integrity as the cornerstone, not as an Event Marketing Manager.

Especially D1. Of all places.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

The Rule Book "enhancements" have enabled this crap. The old guard of the NHRA Rule Book (i.e; Farmer, Greg X and the like) paved a better way of enforcing the rules by employing good qualified people with the dedication to the book.

A great Division Director, as a leader must see rules integrity as the cornerstone, not as an Event Marketing Manager.

Especially D1. Of all places.

Frank for better or worse the good old days of Stock and Super/Stock are long gone. Those years you talk about were as far as I'm concerned the Golden Years of Stock and Super/Stock. No AHFS and racers that ran their cars every run almost as fast as they could get it to go. I don't remember seeing anyone lifting at the 1000 ft mark to protect their combo. I'm sure a few did but it wasn't the norm.

The heads I have on my car were bought from a GM dealer and have a GM part number on them. I'm not sure if Edelbrock bought the rights to the part numbers or GM subcontracted them out for them to make. But the heads and intake are listed in a GM parts book.

The 396/375 hp combo is not the only one that don't have the original parts that were made back in the 60's. At this point in the life of Stock and Super/Stock there is no going back. I still look at some of the newer cars that race Stock and have a parachute on the back and shake my head. I can't imagine spending almost 100 grand on a newer car from the factory and then have to spend up to 50 grand or more to make it one of the front runners in the class. I laugh when I here someone say they don't want the index's lowered to not discourage any new people trying out Stock. Most of the new people that I have seen start racing Stock in the last few years end up in one of the newer cars. Or in an older car that is already proven. I don't like a lot of the changes but here is where we are. BP

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

You can build a 1969 Camaro 396/375 without using an original OEM part?

Enlighten me, should this be okay?

[Frank Castros]

Oh, by the way D6 is looking for a DD. How many DD jobs have been posted in the past 24 months? Too many is the answer.
Weak lateral support from the NHRA leadership team is the reason for this turnover ,or is it a change in strategy?
Oh yea, what would that strategy be?

If I would be placing my eggs in one basket at the divisional level it would be racers. End of story. NHRA, stop rapeing your member tracks that support and host Divisional events.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

Does the M stand for Mercury. I can’t believe how much cam and Dove heads they received. Oh fudge I forgot about the 735 cfm carb. I know what CFM stands for us Mo Par’s

Larry, cut it out. Your Holley carbs get to take advantage of all of the same "enhancements" that the 735/780 carbs do. And there's a bunch of Edelbrock carbs that have been "approved" that look awfully clean.