BIG $$$ Race

MR DERBY CITY · 12-19-2022, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Good question Ron! But, historically it never does work.

YO KEN , Kenny works his tail off ,plans the race, secures sponsor give away prizes,great payout, has the race at Numidia , and a very disappointing crowd shows up ….

Ron Ortiz · 12-19-2022, 03:06 PM

Seems to be a lot of different reasons, but am I missing something here.

NHRA $2,000 + contingencies to win. SFG. $50,000 to win
4 days = 1 race. 4 days = 4 races
No Buybacks. Buyback. I don't like buybacks either
If you're racing for $50K why not

Mike Pearson is right on.
Mike Gray lack of grade points. I know, I need at least 6 points to enter a race in my home state, so I have to travel to several states to get points.
442 OLDS with the talented drivers there, qualifying is of little importance, try surviving.
Roy Kinslow, great idea, could be easily done, need to get ahold of SFG to see. Motor Mania TV would be included.
Sure there are a lot of reasons, but if you look around drag racing is not as such a big deal as it was a decade ago. Atlanta, Houston, W Palm Bch are examples of what is happening. Soon, the people with their noses up in the air will only be remembering when they could.
But what do I know, I'm building a Stocker when tracks are closing, fuel is sky high, and the payouts are similar to 1990. As a side note, for the SFG races it appears you can win with a .030 light and be a hundred off. But there is a better chance of needing a double oh light and be dead on within 8. It's brutal out there, but you just need to beat the other person in the other lane.

ken robinson · 12-21-2022, 10:37 AM

One of the problems I have is with the disturbing trend of 1/8 & 1000 racing in the bracket racing world . It was all 1/4 mile racing growing up . Sorry I like 1/4 racing . What's fun about doing something half way ? The buy back was something you just live with . It's good seat time & you meet some new car people.

James Perrone · 12-21-2022, 10:53 AM

It’s a shame that stock and super stock racers will not support a big $ race
Sheeeeet most of the racers that complain about lack of prize $ won’t support local Stock and SS associations racing that pays back 90% of the $
Dave Lay has 5 race schedule at Atco and on Saturday we get 60 or so car them Sunday we get a little more than half the racers
Makes no sense
We race for good $ for $100 entry
And we race in New Jersey Atco
Where are all you cry baby local class racers ?
What’s your excuse people?
No Wally. Really

1347 · 12-21-2022, 12:29 PM

Most class racers don't like 1/8th mile racing. Even if they had an NHRA race with 1/8th mile racing, most wouldn't go. Remember the grove race when we sat in the rain and 3 days later we went to 1/8th mile, alot pulled out. The next year, even people who stayed the year before went up to Dave Mohn as we sat in the rain and said if he was even thinking of 1/8 mile they were pulling out.

Our cars aren't built for those races, at least my car isn't. Most of the good bracket cars that run money races are big tire, big block, high mph cars with power glides. If we manage to go late in the rounds with those races, we can't cool our cars down or transmissions. When I ran the consolation race at the Classracer race, they were calling us back before I got my time ticket the last 3 rounds. My battery was dead with no alternator, my filled block was 30 degrees hotter even using my chiller with fresh water, and when I Ran Ronnie Morehead and puked trans fluid on the track, my trans was almost 300 degrees and I pushed the front pump gasket out from the heat.

another problem is the amount of weekends we race and the amount of runs some engines can go. I raced 7 divisionals, 2 opens, the classracer weekend, 5 Dave Ley races, Indy, the Sportnationals, and the Keystones. My engine is used up, and my vacation time and wallet was also. I dont really have a race that I could say I would have missed to spend 1000.00 and buybacks (another hangup) on a bracket race.

James, I agree, I don't know why more people don't attend the ECSSA races at Atco, it's a great race, great payout, and a chance to race and practice against some heavy hitters. I consider Daves races and the Classracer race my extent of non NHRA races. The Tyler Bohannan race is the same weekend as the Atco points race. I doubt many div1 racers will travel to his race instead of going to Atco that weekend.

Lenny5160 · 12-21-2022, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

James, I agree, I don't know why more people don't attend the ECSSA races at Atco, it's a great race, great payout, and a chance to race and practice against some heavy hitters.

I think you answered your own question in the previous paragraph.

It's not that the money races aren't worthwhile on their own, but if you've committed to the NHRA trail then you already have a lot of weekends on the calendar and runs on your stuff.

I used to run a lot of 'medium bucks' races all around the area, and still will on occasion. For me, the slower pace of NHRA races are part of the appeal. The purse could be a lot better, but the exposure is also lower. You aren't ringing up a $5K+ tab in a weekend, the race is going to be 6-7 rounds, and you won't lose in the semis to the car you beat first round.

Mike McCandless · 12-22-2022, 10:16 AM

The heat issue is a great point. On double entered races, it's a real issue.Going into next year, I have 2 sets of cars for the nephews. Big money bracket race cars and NHRA cars. It's almost impossible to find an NHRA legal S/SS that can run the rounds needed for big money bracket racing, on top of the issues of quick turn arounds. Much less be an actual competitive S/SS.

Not uncommon for us to put 3-400 runs on an engine over the course of a season for bracket racing.

12-19-2022, 03:06 PM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Seems to be a lot of different reasons, but am I missing something here. NHRA $2,000 + contingencies to win. SFG. $50,000 to win 4 days = 1 race. 4 days = 4 races No Buybacks. Buyback. I don't like buybacks either If you're racing for $50K why not Mike Pearson is right on. Mike Gray lack of grade points. I know, I need at least 6 points to enter a race in my home state, so I have to travel to several states to get points. 442 OLDS with the talented drivers there, qualifying is of little importance, try surviving. Roy Kinslow, great idea, could be easily done, need to get ahold of SFG to see. Motor Mania TV would be included. Sure there are a lot of reasons, but if you look around drag racing is not as such a big deal as it was a decade ago. Atlanta, Houston, W Palm Bch are examples of what is happening. Soon, the people with their noses up in the air will only be remembering when they could. But what do I know, I'm building a Stocker when tracks are closing, fuel is sky high, and the payouts are similar to 1990. As a side note, for the SFG races it appears you can win with a .030 light and be a hundred off. But there is a better chance of needing a double oh light and be dead on within 8. It's brutal out there, but you just need to beat the other person in the other lane. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-21-2022, 10:37 AM	#3
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 479 Likes: 74 Liked 215 Times in 86 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race One of the problems I have is with the disturbing trend of 1/8 & 1000 racing in the bracket racing world . It was all 1/4 mile racing growing up . Sorry I like 1/4 racing . What's fun about doing something half way ? The buy back was something you just live with . It's good seat time & you meet some new car people.

12-21-2022, 10:53 AM	#4
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,678 Likes: 3,383 Liked 1,825 Times in 426 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race It’s a shame that stock and super stock racers will not support a big $ race Sheeeeet most of the racers that complain about lack of prize $ won’t support local Stock and SS associations racing that pays back 90% of the $ Dave Lay has 5 race schedule at Atco and on Saturday we get 60 or so car them Sunday we get a little more than half the racers Makes no sense We race for good $ for $100 entry And we race in New Jersey Atco Where are all you cry baby local class racers ? What’s your excuse people? No Wally. Really __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

12-21-2022, 12:29 PM	#5
1347 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monroe Twp NJ Posts: 506 Likes: 1,039 Liked 998 Times in 276 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Most class racers don't like 1/8th mile racing. Even if they had an NHRA race with 1/8th mile racing, most wouldn't go. Remember the grove race when we sat in the rain and 3 days later we went to 1/8th mile, alot pulled out. The next year, even people who stayed the year before went up to Dave Mohn as we sat in the rain and said if he was even thinking of 1/8 mile they were pulling out. Our cars aren't built for those races, at least my car isn't. Most of the good bracket cars that run money races are big tire, big block, high mph cars with power glides. If we manage to go late in the rounds with those races, we can't cool our cars down or transmissions. When I ran the consolation race at the Classracer race, they were calling us back before I got my time ticket the last 3 rounds. My battery was dead with no alternator, my filled block was 30 degrees hotter even using my chiller with fresh water, and when I Ran Ronnie Morehead and puked trans fluid on the track, my trans was almost 300 degrees and I pushed the front pump gasket out from the heat. another problem is the amount of weekends we race and the amount of runs some engines can go. I raced 7 divisionals, 2 opens, the classracer weekend, 5 Dave Ley races, Indy, the Sportnationals, and the Keystones. My engine is used up, and my vacation time and wallet was also. I dont really have a race that I could say I would have missed to spend 1000.00 and buybacks (another hangup) on a bracket race. James, I agree, I don't know why more people don't attend the ECSSA races at Atco, it's a great race, great payout, and a chance to race and practice against some heavy hitters. I consider Daves races and the Classracer race my extent of non NHRA races. The Tyler Bohannan race is the same weekend as the Atco points race. I doubt many div1 racers will travel to his race instead of going to Atco that weekend. __________________ Duane Hoven 1342 SS/GT

12-22-2022, 10:16 AM	#7
Mike McCandless Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 121 Likes: 3 Liked 320 Times in 35 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race The heat issue is a great point. On double entered races, it's a real issue.Going into next year, I have 2 sets of cars for the nephews. Big money bracket race cars and NHRA cars. It's almost impossible to find an NHRA legal S/SS that can run the rounds needed for big money bracket racing, on top of the issues of quick turn arounds. Much less be an actual competitive S/SS. Not uncommon for us to put 3-400 runs on an engine over the course of a season for bracket racing.