AHFS Changes.

SDT1DYI · 12-09-2022, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by J.R. Haddad

MJ and Steve. I talked to someone at NHRA today, and here are their
thoughts. With the 1.30 cushion, they don't really expect too many
instant hits. However, with the .65 to .85 small window, they don't expect combo's with a lot of cars to be able to repair the average as quickly if at all.
The 350/255 combo was mentioned, no surprise. They get a lot more phone calls of complaint than I would think. And yes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. I think an overhaul of the SRAC may be in order. I don't know
if it has any teeth, anymore.

J.R.

JR, AHFS is a touchy subject for most as its effects your cars performance and your ability to make it perform to an established measuring stick.
Everyone always says, " Stock is a Performance Based Class" but it does not seem that way by these changes to AHFS.
If the recent changes were driven by competitors who compete in Stock Eliminator, one can only assume their combo will not run the numbers to compete heads up in their division.
Everyone understands, Stock Eliminator needs all the racers, fast and not as fast to compete,
This "Lastest" change to AHFS hurts the fast guys, will cause more lifting at 1,000 ft , (or braking) to protect their current HP rating. It's less costly than spending $$ to go as fast as you did before you had to add that 80.lbs
Maybe it's time to have a personal index in Stock. Let the really fast guys go heads up against each other, no HP hits. The others, estblish a 1-3 tenths personal index on Heads up runs at Divisonal events only.

Just an Idea to consider.

Happy Holidays
Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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herbjr · 12-09-2022, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SDT1DYI

JR, AHFS is a touchy subject for most as its effects your cars performance and your ability to make it perform to an established measuring stick.
Everyone always says, " Stock is a Performance Based Class" but it does not seem that way by these changes to AHFS.
If the recent changes were driven by competitors who compete in Stock Eliminator, one can only assume their combo will not run the numbers to compete heads up in their division.
Everyone understands, Stock Eliminator needs all the racers, fast and not as fast to compete,
This "Lastest" change to AHFS hurts the fast guys, will cause more lifting at 1,000 ft , (or braking) to protect their current HP rating. It's less costly than spending $$ to go as fast as you did before you had to add that 80.lbs
Maybe it's time to have a personal index in Stock. Let the really fast guys go heads up against each other, no HP hits. The others, estblish a 1-3 tenths personal index on Heads up runs at Divisonal events only.

Just an Idea to consider.

Happy Holidays
Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

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No to personal Index, that's a trainwreck, stock is complicated enough as it is, I've been away from S and SS for years and my kids are going to be running 2 cars this year and just the approved parts list is like doing algebra. Most don't build their own engines or cars, but as complicated as it is we don't need to make it any more complicated. Everyone loves to say Stock is a performance based class then bitch when their performance gets them HP.

herb jr

J.R. Haddad · 12-09-2022, 07:12 PM

There is a major disconnect in the goals of the many Stock Eliminator
Racers. There are many who like to run the furthest under and show
their mechanical prowess, those who buy their engines (the majority today),
and those that run 20- 50 under their Indexes. The AHFS as it stands
today is to protect the 20-50 under group. I understand why NHRA does
this, as the first 2 groups are going to keep coming back because we
have a mental disconnect with common sense, and we hate money.
The 3rd group will leave and not return. The dilemma shows when we have
no place to showcase our cars performance. I would like to see more
races with no AHFS, a 64 car field with 80 allowed entry's. Gainsville,
Sportsnationals, Maple Grove, Indy (128 car field) and Dallas. Call them
Big Boy Races or whatever you want, but there needs to be a few places to show off hard work, innovation, talent and yes money.

Thanks,

J.R.

P.S. There are no easy answers, just tough questions.

12-09-2022, 07:12 PM	#3
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 784 Likes: 933 Liked 1,463 Times in 307 Posts	Re: AHFS Changes. There is a major disconnect in the goals of the many Stock Eliminator Racers. There are many who like to run the furthest under and show their mechanical prowess, those who buy their engines (the majority today), and those that run 20- 50 under their Indexes. The AHFS as it stands today is to protect the 20-50 under group. I understand why NHRA does this, as the first 2 groups are going to keep coming back because we have a mental disconnect with common sense, and we hate money. The 3rd group will leave and not return. The dilemma shows when we have no place to showcase our cars performance. I would like to see more races with no AHFS, a 64 car field with 80 allowed entry's. Gainsville, Sportsnationals, Maple Grove, Indy (128 car field) and Dallas. Call them Big Boy Races or whatever you want, but there needs to be a few places to show off hard work, innovation, talent and yes money. Thanks, J.R. P.S. There are no easy answers, just tough questions.