Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH

jaythorne · 11-22-2022, 01:29 PM

squeaky wheel gets the grease as always....rules creep at its finest.....if u guys want pro stockers im sure the waters fine over there...oh i forgot u want to be a big phish in a little sea

SSDA Hemi · 11-22-2022, 07:29 PM

Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160.

My big argument against this is this:

1) It is not inline with the Bible (Rulebook) here. A super Stock car uses stock components massaged to a higher level. We start throwing away stock components and pretty soon Super Stock turns into either PRO Stock or Super GAS! Where does it end? We have the R&P, Struts are even safer than these rusty old control arms.... Stock is going down this path right now and it will not end well for either class

2) Once one of the top cars update and gains an advantage so will every other car that wants to play at that level. Even parked cars that are for sale or will be for sale are now worth less. I estimated $5k for updates but I believe that is low in this inflated economy. The big draw at Indy is competitive racing. This will only separate the top cars from 2nd string or slower cars. More expense and less competitive racing = lose/lose

I'm all for safety but not at the expense of the rules. Show me one recent crash in AH caused by a broken, non ground on, non braced box. And if you kick the rods and take out your steering linkage, Call MR2 for a diaper and stock forged steel centerlink .

While we're writing letters, I'm going to petition NHRA for a pro charger to bolt on the front of my Hemi. Much safer on my wallet to make 1050hp.......

Paul Precht · 11-22-2022, 08:03 PM

[QUOTE=SSDA Hemi;671262]Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160.

I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.

11-22-2022, 11:46 PM

Flaming River makes an iron replacement box. That’s what they used in the car that John is talking about

QUOTE I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.[/QUOTE]

Spyphish · 11-23-2022, 01:59 PM

While we're writing letters, I'm going to petition NHRA for a pro charger to bolt on the front of my Hemi. Much safer on my wallet to make 1050hp.......[/QUOTE]

Let me write it, I am good at it. Phish

SSDA Hemi · 11-23-2022, 07:28 PM

Phish, I hope your car doesn't sell. You crack me up and I do believe its personalities like yours that help make the SS/AH class what it is! Love it and LMAO!!

And I have no problem with you writing a letter and asking for your wishes. I am just flabbergasted NHRA makes a rule change as big as that off of 1 letter. Where was the SRAC email or maybe poll the SS/AH racers at Indy. Let majority rule. Let those that are actively participating decide their own fate. I've stated I don't like the rule change because it bastardizes the Super Stock class. Why does NHRA decide the fate of the class on 1 letter especially when it appears to lead the category down the wrong path.

The Hemi racers went down this road some years back with the Hemi head debacle. We learned then that there was no turning back and the class still suffers from the wrath of that rule controversy. This Rack and Pinion deal will be the same way, the big question is where do we draw the line and say enough is enough? Maybe the ratio of racers entering the class changes more favorably to racers leaving

James Hensler · 11-23-2022, 09:53 PM

Ok they allowed the R&P but without aftermarket spindles no one is going to change! I have personally talked to several and they all said the same thing NO WAY IM CHANGING

Saying don’t let us run the eliminator is laughable! GT cars have had this **** since jump street

Dyno · 11-23-2022, 10:09 PM

The rule change was not because of one letter from Phish. We (many SS/AH racers) requested some changes for safety reasons to NHRA 5-6 years ago. I am not aware of any requests to NHRA recently. I believe that there is an underlying rule change to the class coming, Starts with a "D"., but because the drag link goes through the oil pan , it really is not feasible. Moving the steering linkage forward, it would solve this issue. If anyone thinks this change will affect the Superstock class, look around at the GT and Modified classes and what is allowed and explain this to us! QA1 makes a great front subframe for the class to run, mine is on order. (LOL). Dyno. Dan Zrust SS/AH and A/SA.

Spyphish · 11-23-2022, 11:20 PM

Dan is right. In 2009 when my car was built a group had signed a letter about steering etc. My Aug. email was answered as " we are already considering it". Thanks for the ego trip, thinking I am somebody. Phish

Considering being head of PGA. New rule, your ball lands on the green, pick ball up, add 1 stroke, move on.

SSDA Hemi · 11-24-2022, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by James Hensler

Ok they allowed the R&P but without aftermarket spindles no one is going to change! I have personally talked to several and they all said the same thing NO WAY IM CHANGING

James, reread Spy's post above. He IS updating to R$P as will others. Get ready as soon as they show its worth something besides safety..... Keeping up with the Joneses or eat their dust......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyno

look around at the GT and Modified classes and what is allowed and explain this to us! QA1 makes a great front subframe for the class to run, mine is on order. (LOL). Dyno. Dan Zrust SS/AH and A/SA.

Dan as I stated in my first post, my buddy runs a '60 corvette in modified and has to run stock steering and "safety"?!! More like "antiquated"!! Modified I could see allowing a Rack as others. SS/AH is like the Thunderbolts and RO51 cars, built specifically for Super Stock and traditional SS is massaged as was built from factory.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyphish

Dan is right. In 2009 when my car was built a group had signed a letter about steering etc. My Aug. email was answered as " we are already considering it". Thanks for the ego trip, thinking I am somebody. Phish

Considering being head of PGA. New rule, your ball lands on the green, pick ball up, add 1 stroke, move on.

The SS/AH players at the front has changed significantly since 2009. More left than returned and did they leave due to a safety issue over the steering box or linkage? Or ? Many competitive SS/AH cars just parked, some for sale some.... getting antiquated over R&D hp developments or now R$P updates.....

What is the real safety issue here, fear of broken steering box or centerlink through oil pan. I addressed the weak box issue, if its centerlink through oil pan everyone with that application should be fearful and needs this update.

If this rule change was along the lines of SS racing I could stomach it. The days of "everyone gets a trophy" are not acceptable to me. Changing ball on green, Rack and pinion, Hell, lets rewrite the 10 commandments and let me have some fun with the neighbors model wife while we're at it......

11-22-2022, 01:29 PM	#1
jaythorne Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 45 Likes: 4 Liked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH squeaky wheel gets the grease as always....rules creep at its finest.....if u guys want pro stockers im sure the waters fine over there...oh i forgot u want to be a big phish in a little sea Last edited by jaythorne; 11-22-2022 at 01:33 PM.

11-22-2022, 07:29 PM	#2
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160. My big argument against this is this: 1) It is not inline with the Bible (Rulebook) here. A super Stock car uses stock components massaged to a higher level. We start throwing away stock components and pretty soon Super Stock turns into either PRO Stock or Super GAS! Where does it end? We have the R&P, Struts are even safer than these rusty old control arms.... Stock is going down this path right now and it will not end well for either class 2) Once one of the top cars update and gains an advantage so will every other car that wants to play at that level. Even parked cars that are for sale or will be for sale are now worth less. I estimated $5k for updates but I believe that is low in this inflated economy. The big draw at Indy is competitive racing. This will only separate the top cars from 2nd string or slower cars. More expense and less competitive racing = lose/lose I'm all for safety but not at the expense of the rules. Show me one recent crash in AH caused by a broken, non ground on, non braced box. And if you kick the rods and take out your steering linkage, Call MR2 for a diaper and stock forged steel centerlink . While we're writing letters, I'm going to petition NHRA for a pro charger to bolt on the front of my Hemi. Much safer on my wallet to make 1050hp.......

11-22-2022, 08:03 PM	#3
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 730 Likes: 353 Liked 309 Times in 118 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH [QUOTE=SSDA Hemi;671262]Everyone cries "death wobble". How many AH cars have that shake? How much ET do you think that would scrub? Not all the AH cars do this and I believe the scrub is negligible as at the top of low gear thees very little weight on the front tires. In SS/CA my Street Hemi has run almost 150 and no wheel wobble, my steering box is not ground on for header clearance and there is a brace supporting the top of the steering box. This is 155 lbs more than AH. I saw one steering box break with the wobble and there was very little left of it where it broke- ground on heavily for header clearance and no brace up top. Replaced with a cast iron stock style box and believe it is still in car and running over 160. I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.

11-22-2022, 11:46 PM	#4
Todd Hoven Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH Flaming River makes an iron replacement box. That’s what they used in the car that John is talking about QUOTE I'm sure you know the B/E body front susp is an entirely different animal than the A body with the A body being junk by comparison in stock form. I have never seen a cast iron manual steering box on any 62 and later A B or E body car, maybe there was one but I must have missed it.[/QUOTE]

11-23-2022, 01:59 PM	#5
Spyphish Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 846 Likes: 16 Liked 679 Times in 180 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH While we're writing letters, I'm going to petition NHRA for a pro charger to bolt on the front of my Hemi. Much safer on my wallet to make 1050hp.......[/QUOTE] Let me write it, I am good at it. Phish

11-23-2022, 07:28 PM	#6
SSDA Hemi Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 503 Likes: 130 Liked 451 Times in 77 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH Phish, I hope your car doesn't sell. You crack me up and I do believe its personalities like yours that help make the SS/AH class what it is! Love it and LMAO!! And I have no problem with you writing a letter and asking for your wishes. I am just flabbergasted NHRA makes a rule change as big as that off of 1 letter. Where was the SRAC email or maybe poll the SS/AH racers at Indy. Let majority rule. Let those that are actively participating decide their own fate. I've stated I don't like the rule change because it bastardizes the Super Stock class. Why does NHRA decide the fate of the class on 1 letter especially when it appears to lead the category down the wrong path. The Hemi racers went down this road some years back with the Hemi head debacle. We learned then that there was no turning back and the class still suffers from the wrath of that rule controversy. This Rack and Pinion deal will be the same way, the big question is where do we draw the line and say enough is enough? Maybe the ratio of racers entering the class changes more favorably to racers leaving

11-23-2022, 09:53 PM	#7
James Hensler Member Join Date: Apr 2022 Location: Noblesville,In Posts: 108 Likes: 7 Liked 58 Times in 36 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH Ok they allowed the R&P but without aftermarket spindles no one is going to change! I have personally talked to several and they all said the same thing NO WAY IM CHANGING Saying don’t let us run the eliminator is laughable! GT cars have had this **** since jump street __________________ SS/AH 328X Last edited by James Hensler; 11-23-2022 at 09:55 PM.

11-23-2022, 10:09 PM	#8
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 915 Likes: 1,129 Liked 680 Times in 203 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH The rule change was not because of one letter from Phish. We (many SS/AH racers) requested some changes for safety reasons to NHRA 5-6 years ago. I am not aware of any requests to NHRA recently. I believe that there is an underlying rule change to the class coming, Starts with a "D"., but because the drag link goes through the oil pan , it really is not feasible. Moving the steering linkage forward, it would solve this issue. If anyone thinks this change will affect the Superstock class, look around at the GT and Modified classes and what is allowed and explain this to us! QA1 makes a great front subframe for the class to run, mine is on order. (LOL). Dyno. Dan Zrust SS/AH and A/SA.

11-23-2022, 11:20 PM	#9
Spyphish Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 846 Likes: 16 Liked 679 Times in 180 Posts	Re: Good news! R&P Steering legal in SS/AH Dan is right. In 2009 when my car was built a group had signed a letter about steering etc. My Aug. email was answered as " we are already considering it". Thanks for the ego trip, thinking I am somebody. Phish Considering being head of PGA. New rule, your ball lands on the green, pick ball up, add 1 stroke, move on.