Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comments

1347 · 05-02-2022, 08:03 AM

I have mixed feelings on raising entry fee. I know class racing isn't for the budget minded, but an extra 100 on top of 6+ dollars a gallon for fuel is a hard hit at this time. I also oppose dropping 3rd round money.

I would rather increase the quota where you have to qualify to get in, that would bring more money in, and would bring the performance back into a performance based class if you have to step it up to get in.

I would also like to see points or money awarded to #1 qualifiers and setting the record. Also I still can't understand why no one has asked why we can't get records published in ND even if its only twice a year. I did send a couple emails last year but they never got answered.

Larry Hill · 05-02-2022, 12:27 PM

What "Rights" do we have as members of NHRA? Not trying to stir the pot but if we have any kind of "Rights" as members it would be good to know what they are, and how we may use them to help direct NHRA in a positive direction from the racers viewpoint. It would be good if Linda Louie, VP and general counsel of NHRA, could give us members a list of "Rights" as members of NHRA 501(C)(6) tax status. If we as members know the rules it will make it so much more easy to work within that framework.

We all want a successful, fair, and transparent sanctioning body.

MRE 7171 · 05-02-2022, 06:20 PM

Please Do Not raise entry fees and start paying more for all rounds and start at 2nd round like it use to be, we don't all get to the final round, but would sure like to know that if I get to the 3rd round I could pay "some" of my expenses

BILL TAYLOR · 05-02-2022, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 1347

I have mixed feelings on raising entry fee. I know class racing isn't for the budget minded, but an extra 100 on top of 6+ dollars a gallon for fuel is a hard hit at this time. I also oppose dropping 3rd round money.

I would rather increase the quota where you have to qualify to get in, that would bring more money in, and would bring the performance back into a performance based class if you have to step it up to get in.

I would also like to see points or money awarded to #1 qualifiers and setting the record. Also I still can't understand why no one has asked why we can't get records published in ND even if its only twice a year. I did send a couple emails last year but they never got answered.

There are several things that keep me from running Nationals. The wasted week, the price, being treated like fill-in, and the "combos". Would it really hurt their budget to give out a few more Wallys? Bill Taylor B/S 1005.

countrypuppy4865 · 05-02-2022, 11:30 PM

1. I think it’s going to be tough to increase entries. I think the idea of making it 64 qualified field and accepting 80 for quota then use additional money to go to purse. However, any idea here will have its drawback. You have qualified field people will complain they can’t qualify. You increase entry it will be too expensive. We may need to start some polls that require name car number and membership to vote on some of these topics.
2. -1.30 is fine and one review is fine. By giving points for records and qualifying, that would give incentive and help the ahfs work. How about green hat like the pros get for #1 to go with points? Of course $$ would be nice too but would almost need a sponsor to do that which has been done at divisionals.
3. Indifferent on all class winners getting in I can see both arguments. Fwd car comes in wins class going -.50 and qualifies but #129 is a competitive C/SA that’s -.90 but doesn’t get to race. On the other hand the fwd car did win class.
4. Shipping weights. This has a major effect on a lot of people. There are plenty of shipping weights incorrect for a variety of reasons (paper cars, wrong info submitted, or just errors) NHRA accepted the weights so it’s not racers faults for following the guide. Making changes to weight would force some out of their current classes. To me if you do away with it there’s no more arguing what weight is correct and what weight isn’t. I would be willing to bet not many cars would move a significant amount. Ones that have shipping weights that are close to correct probably can’t get light enough to move two classes from their current class. Let’s take a popular car for example 69 Camaro 350 255hp combo. Minimum in F is 3110. I’m not very familiar with the weights of these cars personally, but just from talking with others most can’t get near that minimum. Another argument is a heavy driver may only be able to fit the heaviest class and he may want to run a little another class up. Or vice versa, a very light driver may not want to add a bunch of weight.

Regardless of the outcome of any of this at the end of the day you have to play by their rules, but if changes are made it should be because the vast majority wants the changes.

B Parker · 05-03-2022, 10:32 AM

Most class eliminations are being done at Divisional's this year. And if it's at a National with a small quota you would get to run in the eliminator anyway. Indy may be the only race that this could affect those solo combo's. But the last 2 years at Indy every class winner qualified. Don't see the need to change this.

I know several will not be in favor of raising the instant hit to 1.30 under. How about it stay's at 1.20 unless it's a mine shaft race and then it goes to 1.30 under.

The index's are soft and have been for several years now. I know we don't want to discourage any new racers and those that for whatever reason can't get their car to go faster. The index's should really get lowered by 2 or 3 tenths. But to not discourage those that can't get their car to go that fast at least look at 1 tenth lowering. It would also help bring the AHFS up to date with all the enhancements NHRA has given most of us the last 15 years. BP

Billy Nees · 05-03-2022, 11:14 AM

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Billy Nees · 05-03-2022, 12:11 PM

Agreed! We'll talk soon!

TERRY HEMBREE · 05-05-2022, 08:50 AM

How about the tech department making some effort to clarify issues presented to it. I ask in writing last January about a clarification and have never got a response. Problem is I was told before I sent it that I probably would not get a response.

05-02-2022, 12:27 PM	#2
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,922 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment What "Rights" do we have as members of NHRA? Not trying to stir the pot but if we have any kind of "Rights" as members it would be good to know what they are, and how we may use them to help direct NHRA in a positive direction from the racers viewpoint. It would be good if Linda Louie, VP and general counsel of NHRA, could give us members a list of "Rights" as members of NHRA 501(C)(6) tax status. If we as members know the rules it will make it so much more easy to work within that framework. We all want a successful, fair, and transparent sanctioning body. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

05-02-2022, 06:20 PM	#3
MRE 7171 Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Posts: 58 Likes: 41 Liked 95 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment Please Do Not raise entry fees and start paying more for all rounds and start at 2nd round like it use to be, we don't all get to the final round, but would sure like to know that if I get to the 3rd round I could pay "some" of my expenses

05-02-2022, 11:30 PM	#5
countrypuppy4865 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Donaldsonville, LA Posts: 980 Likes: 17 Liked 228 Times in 70 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment 1. I think it’s going to be tough to increase entries. I think the idea of making it 64 qualified field and accepting 80 for quota then use additional money to go to purse. However, any idea here will have its drawback. You have qualified field people will complain they can’t qualify. You increase entry it will be too expensive. We may need to start some polls that require name car number and membership to vote on some of these topics. 2. -1.30 is fine and one review is fine. By giving points for records and qualifying, that would give incentive and help the ahfs work. How about green hat like the pros get for #1 to go with points? Of course $$ would be nice too but would almost need a sponsor to do that which has been done at divisionals. 3. Indifferent on all class winners getting in I can see both arguments. Fwd car comes in wins class going -.50 and qualifies but #129 is a competitive C/SA that’s -.90 but doesn’t get to race. On the other hand the fwd car did win class. 4. Shipping weights. This has a major effect on a lot of people. There are plenty of shipping weights incorrect for a variety of reasons (paper cars, wrong info submitted, or just errors) NHRA accepted the weights so it’s not racers faults for following the guide. Making changes to weight would force some out of their current classes. To me if you do away with it there’s no more arguing what weight is correct and what weight isn’t. I would be willing to bet not many cars would move a significant amount. Ones that have shipping weights that are close to correct probably can’t get light enough to move two classes from their current class. Let’s take a popular car for example 69 Camaro 350 255hp combo. Minimum in F is 3110. I’m not very familiar with the weights of these cars personally, but just from talking with others most can’t get near that minimum. Another argument is a heavy driver may only be able to fit the heaviest class and he may want to run a little another class up. Or vice versa, a very light driver may not want to add a bunch of weight. Regardless of the outcome of any of this at the end of the day you have to play by their rules, but if changes are made it should be because the vast majority wants the changes. __________________ Jimmy "Cooter" Hidalgo, Jr. 4865 E/SA '04 GTO 4865 SS/GA '99 Firebird

05-03-2022, 10:32 AM	#6
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment Most class eliminations are being done at Divisional's this year. And if it's at a National with a small quota you would get to run in the eliminator anyway. Indy may be the only race that this could affect those solo combo's. But the last 2 years at Indy every class winner qualified. Don't see the need to change this. I know several will not be in favor of raising the instant hit to 1.30 under. How about it stay's at 1.20 unless it's a mine shaft race and then it goes to 1.30 under. The index's are soft and have been for several years now. I know we don't want to discourage any new racers and those that for whatever reason can't get their car to go faster. The index's should really get lowered by 2 or 3 tenths. But to not discourage those that can't get their car to go that fast at least look at 1 tenth lowering. It would also help bring the AHFS up to date with all the enhancements NHRA has given most of us the last 15 years. BP

05-03-2022, 11:14 AM	#7
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment --------------------------------------------------------- __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K Last edited by Billy Nees; 05-03-2022 at 12:12 PM.

05-02-2022, 08:03 AM	#1
1347 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Monroe Twp NJ Posts: 501 Likes: 1,029 Liked 988 Times in 272 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment I have mixed feelings on raising entry fee. I know class racing isn't for the budget minded, but an extra 100 on top of 6+ dollars a gallon for fuel is a hard hit at this time. I also oppose dropping 3rd round money. I would rather increase the quota where you have to qualify to get in, that would bring more money in, and would bring the performance back into a performance based class if you have to step it up to get in. I would also like to see points or money awarded to #1 qualifiers and setting the record. Also I still can't understand why no one has asked why we can't get records published in ND even if its only twice a year. I did send a couple emails last year but they never got answered. __________________ Duane Hoven 1342 SS/GT

05-03-2022, 12:00 PM	#8
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Last edited by B Parker; 05-03-2022 at 12:29 PM.

05-03-2022, 12:11 PM	#9
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,485 Likes: 3,587 Liked 7,682 Times in 1,730 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment Agreed! We'll talk soon! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

05-05-2022, 08:50 AM	#10
TERRY HEMBREE Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Blue Ridge,Ga Posts: 20 Likes: 24 Liked 20 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Lets talk NHRA Stk/SS with Lonnie Grim - Ideas - Comment How about the tech department making some effort to clarify issues presented to it. I ask in writing last January about a clarification and have never got a response. Problem is I was told before I sent it that I probably would not get a response.