Access to AMA Shipping Weights?

[dartman]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

And yet, when it's convenient for them, the manufacturers "manipulate" the weights and NHRA goes right along with them! Case-in-point,

2019 Challenger 1320 #3399 8.23 a nice natural A car that can make AA/A/B

2017 Challenger Hellcat #4500 7.50 natural AA car that can make A

Same car, #1100 difference between the two? It couldn't just be that Mopar was picking-and-choosing classes could it?

Larry, maybe you could ask your Mopar buddys about this (and your hood) and I'll find out about that .525 FFFFord cam.

not the same cars at all.hellcat is a 6.2s/c car. 1320 is a 6.4n/a car.

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by dartman

not the same cars at all.hellcat is a 6.2s/c car. 1320 is a 6.4n/a car.

How much does that blower weigh???

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

How much does that blower weigh???

1000 lbs right............lol

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Glenn Briglio

1000 lbs right............lol

From Dodge's website.....

- $3,995
- "1320" Fender Badge
- "1320" I/P Badge
- 1320 Illuminated Air Catcher
- 20-Inch x 9.5-Inch Low-Gloss Black Drag Wheels
- 275/40R20 102Y Drag Radial Tires
- Adaptive Damping Suspension
- Dodge Alcantara® Performance Steering Wheel
- Dodge Performance Pages
- Drag Mode Performance Pages
- Drag Mode Suspension
- Driver Floor Mat (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Front Pass Seat Belt Delete (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- 1-Yr NMCA/NHRA Membership - visit DodgeGarage.com
- Passenger Seat Delete (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Rear Seat Delete Group (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Speed Limited Engine Controller
- Transbrake

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by GUMP

From Dodge's website.....

- $3,995
- "1320" Fender Badge
- "1320" I/P Badge
- 1320 Illuminated Air Catcher
- 20-Inch x 9.5-Inch Low-Gloss Black Drag Wheels
- 275/40R20 102Y Drag Radial Tires
- Adaptive Damping Suspension
- Dodge Alcantara® Performance Steering Wheel
- Dodge Performance Pages
- Drag Mode Performance Pages
- Drag Mode Suspension
- Driver Floor Mat (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Front Pass Seat Belt Delete (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- 1-Yr NMCA/NHRA Membership - visit DodgeGarage.com
- Passenger Seat Delete (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Rear Seat Delete Group (NAW 1320 Plus Group)
- Speed Limited Engine Controller
- Transbrake

So optional rear seat, passenger's seat, and no blower. Still not seeing 1000 lbs there...

My '2017 R/T with the T/A package was 4275 at Maple Grove with me and a quarter tank of gas. I'm 170. It's a 5.7, 6-speed. Deduce your own conclusions on the 1320.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

So optional rear seat, passenger's seat, and no blower. Still not seeing 1000 lbs there...

My '2017 R/T with the T/A package was 4275 at Maple Grove with me and a quarter tank of gas. I'm 170. It's a 5.7, 6-speed. Deduce your own conclusions on the 1320.

Did you read my post about how the 2015 Camaro came to be so light? There has to be a concession for all of the stuff that can legally be taken out. If not, you could not legally race these late model cars. If they would allow 1,000 lbs. of ballast I think the car would be a tad dangerous.....

More deflection on this thread than my bbc valve train! I’d be worried about my own combo for 2023!

[Steve Stasko]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Did you read my post about how the 2015 Camaro came to be so light? There has to be a concession for all of the stuff that can legally be taken out. If not, you could not legally race these late model cars. If they would allow 1,000 lbs. of ballast I think the car would be a tad dangerous.....

I did read that. I should have clarified more that I was looking at the 4500 number on the Hellcat. Not seeing the 1k difference between the two cars. I know the additional stuff is heavy, but at the same time, how much weight is added back when the car is prepped and ready?

So what did the 2012 car weigh after you gutted it? Added the cage?

[SS/GSI]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Did you read my post about how the 2015 Camaro came to be so light? There has to be a concession for all of the stuff that can legally be taken out. If not, you could not legally race these late model cars. If they would allow 1,000 lbs. of ballast I think the car would be a tad dangerous.....

Darin, I have no idea where you get that there would be 1000#'s of ballast in the car. I also do not understand how you do not comprehend the basis of "Shipping Weight" as it pertains to how NHRA forms what we know as being the Stock Classification Guide. To actually mention that there "should be" a concession for what we are legally allowed to remove from our racecars?!?! So I guess the new cars are the only ones who removed back seats, factory front seats, AC, Heater Box, Spare Tire, OEM Fuel Tank +++??? You do not think that older model cars would like this preferential SW treatment? Do we start putting the roll cage weights onto shipping weights...mild steel or chromoly...6, 8, 10 point or FC cage???!!!

With the current SW on the '15 Camaro(Natural A car, can run AA/A/B) 1 competitor last year ran AA, 1 ran A and 6 ran B(including Mr. Warren), so obviously the car fits A or B best. The car, if given the proper shipping weight would be capable of running C; therefore needing to add 200#'s. In SS it would go from G/H/I to H/I/J; therefore adding 180#'s from its lowest class.

If the solution to the integrity of the Stock Classification Guide is for NHRA and all the squeaky wheels out there is to distort and/or get rid of correct SW's all together and run as low as you can weigh, then I guess there is not need to call ourselves STK and SS....Steel Body, NO-Box Bracket I & II to the lanes!!!