Access to AMA Shipping Weights?

Larry Hill · 02-04-2022, 12:24 PM

I believe NHRA will disagree with your definition, but I hope they do agree with you.

Dwight Southerland · 02-04-2022, 01:45 PM

Shipping weight is literally what the name implies. There was an agreement between the members of the AMA and the transportation providers (trains and transport trucks) about a system to report weights for billing and logistics. The assumption was that the vehicles would be shipped with a minimum of fluids for safety concerns and that all options that would have a significant affect on the shipping weight would be documented and standardized. NHRA (Farmer Dismuke) determined that was the industry standard of weight and adopted it for NHRA's classification system. Before that, the cars were actually weighed at the track and the class break calculated then. It doesn't take much imagination to see why that didn't work.

Adub464Q · 02-04-2022, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Shipping weight is literally what the name implies. There was an agreement between the members of the AMA and the transportation providers (trains and transport trucks) about a system to report weights for billing and logistics. The assumption was that the vehicles would be shipped with a minimum of fluids for safety concerns and that all options that would have a significant affect on the shipping weight would be documented and standardized. NHRA (Farmer Dismuke) determined that was the industry standard of weight and adopted it for NHRA's classification system. Before that, the cars were actually weighed at the track and the class break calculated then. It doesn't take much imagination to see why that didn't work.

So does NHRA use curb weight or shipping weight on their classification sheets? Because in one particular instance, there is a 455 lbs difference between the two weights and NHRA has the curb weight listed as the shipping weight on the classification sheet.

You can see why it is very interesting to see what NHRA actually uses for classification purposes. This would move this particular car up 2 classes.

SSDiv6 · 02-04-2022, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I believe NHRA will disagree with your definition, but I hope they do agree wit you.

As Dwight stated in his post, that is the industry definition for shipping weight.

SSDA Hemi · 02-05-2022, 09:22 PM

So who stirred the shipping weight pot? or more specifically is Brandon working for NHRA now....

Ralph A Powell · 02-05-2022, 09:38 PM

If I remember the American Auto Manufacturers Association was disbanded about 30 years ago at that point the people at the auto companies sent the weights to NHRA and from that point in time there was alt of stretching the truth!

SSDiv6 · 02-05-2022, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph A Powell

If I remember the American Auto Manufacturers Association was disbanded about 30 years ago at that point the people at the auto companies sent the weights to NHRA and from that point in time there was alt of stretching the truth!

Yes, it was dissolved due when foreign companies started to purchase ownership of American car companies. The new group is called Alliance for Automotive Innovation and it includes all worldwide companies so they can share innovation and technologies.

SSDiv6 · 02-05-2022, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDA Hemi

So who stirred the shipping weight pot? or more specifically is Brandon working for NHRA now....

I believe the issue is the revision of shipping weight on Chevy products which had an effect on the classes they run.

Larry Hill · 02-05-2022, 11:38 PM

Not only Chevy but I went to bed with an A/SA and woke up with a C/SA car. NHRA you just got to love them. Pat, Wesley, or Lonnie could have given us some kind of heads up.
What’s the verbiage “Verified by.........”

GTS340 · 02-06-2022, 01:55 AM

I wonder if there are more to come. Maybe that is why they haven't mentioned it yet. How many drivers will show up at Pomona with their car in the wrong class. It seem 70 Cudas are all heavier now. I told Errol Farmer his 340 six pack can't run D/SA anymore. How about like Larry. The 70 cuda with a 440 4bbl is a natural F/SA car. I see some of the 71 Mopar B-Bodies are different too.
I did check my 440 69 Dart. So far no change...not yet anyway.

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Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,002 Likes: 64 Liked 783 Times in 195 Posts	Re: Access to AMA Shipping Weights? Shipping weight is literally what the name implies. There was an agreement between the members of the AMA and the transportation providers (trains and transport trucks) about a system to report weights for billing and logistics. The assumption was that the vehicles would be shipped with a minimum of fluids for safety concerns and that all options that would have a significant affect on the shipping weight would be documented and standardized. NHRA (Farmer Dismuke) determined that was the industry standard of weight and adopted it for NHRA's classification system. Before that, the cars were actually weighed at the track and the class break calculated then. It doesn't take much imagination to see why that didn't work. __________________

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Ralph A Powell Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Bay City Texas Posts: 393 Likes: 2 Liked 227 Times in 138 Posts	Re: Access to AMA Shipping Weights? If I remember the American Auto Manufacturers Association was disbanded about 30 years ago at that point the people at the auto companies sent the weights to NHRA and from that point in time there was alt of stretching the truth!

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Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,682 Likes: 1,993 Liked 11,012 Times in 2,263 Posts	Re: Access to AMA Shipping Weights? Not only Chevy but I went to bed with an A/SA and woke up with a C/SA car. NHRA you just got to love them. Pat, Wesley, or Lonnie could have given us some kind of heads up. What’s the verbiage “Verified by.........” __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

02-06-2022, 01:55 AM	#10
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 879 Likes: 286 Liked 1,361 Times in 416 Posts	Re: Access to AMA Shipping Weights? I wonder if there are more to come. Maybe that is why they haven't mentioned it yet. How many drivers will show up at Pomona with their car in the wrong class. It seem 70 Cudas are all heavier now. I told Errol Farmer his 340 six pack can't run D/SA anymore. How about like Larry. The 70 cuda with a 440 4bbl is a natural F/SA car. I see some of the 71 Mopar B-Bodies are different too. I did check my 440 69 Dart. So far no change...not yet anyway. Paul Haszlauer