Explain to me again, please

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by 1347

Most don't want solid roller cams in stock, just go back and read posts about it in the past. Opening up that box will get you one more step closer to making a stocker engine a super stock engine with a lift rule.

Maybe we need a poll because MOST (from my outlook with all the new motors available) are already running solid rollers. They wouldn't need to vote. It looks to me like the only ones not running them are the cars from 60-early 80's. At the rate of $2100 a set and 6 months wait time for tool steel lifters they can lower the entry to 30 and 95% will be roller motors. If I have to qualify for a event spot against a non-vin, state of the art, factory made race car at least make it fair for the old flat tappet cars.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

If I have to qualify for a event spot against a non-vin, state of the art, factory made race car at least make it fair for the old flat tappet cars.

Soooooooo.......... you don't care about qualifying being "fair to the old flat tappet cars", you care about it being "fair" to you!
Here's a "fair" way to make this work without affecting anyone else, why don't you go and buy a "non-vin,state of the art, factory made race car"!

It's thinking like THIS that has S/SS in the screwed up state that it's in and why there needs to be some re-thinking and some back-tracking of some of the rules by NHRA and Tech.

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Soooooooo.......... you don't care about qualifying being "fair to the old flat tappet cars", you care about it being "fair" to you!
Here's a "fair" way to make this work without affecting anyone else, why don't you go and buy a "non-vin,state of the art, factory made race car"!

It's thinking like THIS that has S/SS in the screwed up state that it's in and why there needs to be some re-thinking and some back-tracking of some of the rules by NHRA and Tech.

I would think a rule change would effect "all flattappet motors. Am I wrong to think that?

[SDT1DYI]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

I would think a rule change would effect "all flattappet motors. Am I wrong to think that?

If for some reason NHRA elected to change this rule, I would say "either or". Some motors may not like rollers, depending on the design of there flat tappet existing cam etc.

Steve Teeter Stk/SS 620

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Terry Cain

I would think a rule change would effect "all flattappet motors. Am I wrong to think that?

And that's an awful lot of flat tappet motors. What kind of an effect do you think that change will have on the rest of the motor? What else will need to be changed to take advantage of the ability to use more aggressive cam profiles without breaking a lifter or wiping a cam? Not to mention the higher RPM capability.
What we need is a valve spring rule.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

And that's an awful lot of flat tappet motors. What kind of an effect do you think that change will have on the rest of the motor? What else will need to be changed to take advantage of the ability to use more aggressive cam profiles without breaking a lifter or wiping a cam? Not to mention the higher RPM capability.
What we need is a valve spring rule.

Bingo. More separation for Stock and Super Stock.

Quickly taking the “Stock” out of stock. Yes there have been major changes. If we want or need all that just move to Superstock?
Every change suggested creates a new set of issues and not just costs. Roller cams / lifters/springs double the cost.
. EFI probably triple the cost.

[Grey Ghost]

Why did hydraulic lifter combinations get solids and adjustable rockers? I'm fine with that improvement but it certainly wasn't new technology. My 64 MW was OEM solids.

[GUMP]

I must be really dumb running hydraulic lifters, stock rockers, and beehive valve springs on my non-VIN, state of art, factory race cars.......

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

And that's an awful lot of flat tappet motors. What kind of an effect do you think that change will have on the rest of the motor? What else will need to be changed to take advantage of the ability to use more aggressive cam profiles without breaking a lifter or wiping a cam? Not to mention the higher RPM capability.
What we need is a valve spring rule.

When the Cam Duration and Valve Spring rules were changed many years ago that created a Domino effect that changed Stock Eliminator forever.