Easy way to help AHFS work

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

AHFS will never work with its current leadership. Now if Lonnie Grimm cleans house/ eliminates the problem, then it might have a chance but let’s face it AHFS has had the same problems 10-15 plus years now.
1. You can run -1.10 at an event and go to the next event and make 2 passes at -.55 to bring your average back to under-.80 making it safe from HP.
This window to lower your combo average are passes of -.85 to -.35. This window is way to big. I mean how can some make an argument that one weekend a guy runs -1.00 and the next weekend there making runs at below -.60. to pull the average down. There is no logic to this window. Personally, if a combo can run -1.00 then no runs under -.65 should count in lowering the class average

2. I Think the most important thing that will help AHFS work and put NEEDED performance back in the SS/STK class is going to a 48 or 64 car field at ALL National events (But INDY). Let’s face it the national event quotes are not going back to 80 plus cars per class at most national events so let’s just meet in the middle make all the quotes 70 cars per stk and ss. This will make guys step on there cars a little more frequently. I personal would like to see 48 car national event fields with around 60-65 car quotes. This would reward the #1 with the potential semi final bye into the final. I would leave points meet at 128 car fields and national open at all run field. This would create a kind of steppingstone affect for the class depend on you combos performance. This would also eliminate the 105 points Issue for winning a 6 or 7 round national event (East Coast VS West Coast) if all the National events were a 6 round max to win.

3. All runs of over -1.00 should have a min carb/TB check, casting # check and a PG if time permitting.

All of this is easy. You said someone goes -1.10 under one race then run -.55 under twice to bring average down. All Nhra has to do on those runs is take the 1/8 mile numbers and run them against the -1.10 under run the week before. Doing this would fix a lot of combos in about 6 months.

Disclaimer: I no longer run SS anymore but still like to read all the posts about s/ss. Just my .02

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

All of this is easy. You said someone goes -1.10 under one race then run -.55 under twice to bring average down. All Nhra has to do on those runs is take the 1/8 mile numbers and run them against the -1.10 under run the week before. Doing this would fix a lot of combos in about 6 months.

Disclaimer: I no longer run SS anymore but still like to read all the posts about s/ss. Just my .02

Ed, Please give me a call today.

[Race Clean]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

All of this is easy. You said someone goes -1.10 under one race then run -.55 under twice to bring average down. All Nhra has to do on those runs is take the 1/8 mile numbers and run them against the -1.10 under run the week before. Doing this would fix a lot of combos in about 6 months.

That wont work!!
They dont run fast to the 1/8 and then lift,they just go slow (on 2 barrels or a stop in the linkage etc.)
Anyone that has been .850 (.950) under or more during the period should not qualify for supplying any runs slower than that to AFHS

[SS/GSI]

Quote: Kevin, Where are we going with this? I don't disagree with much of what you said, but what would be your plan?
Tom put forth his. NHRA isn't going to do it, but that's the theme here.

Mark, I thought I was pretty clear on how to "FIX" the AHFS. Bring back performance to the STK and SS Classes. More class runoffs(we use to have class for either STK or SS at every National Event, some had both (Indy, Gators and Vegas) plus we also had 3 Sports Nationals! Bring Back the Performers Award. Perhaps points for top 5 or top 10 qualifiers, points for class winners? More review periods, not less. I like Charlie's idea for qualifying 64 cars at National Events; however it will not make the top half push themselves anymore than they do now....the bottom half are the ones that will need to start running it out or harder thus probably pushing the fields into "mineshaft" more often and negating more 1 sec under runs which would have triggered reviews for HP.

Most of the competitors voicing their displeasure with "soft combinations" and the AHFS system not working are also competitors(generally speaking) which at one time had under factored combos themselves. They ran them hard, received HP over a long period of time and now are pissed because other guys are in the same position they were 10-20 years ago. And that is another huge problem....it took a lot of the older combos a decade or more to get all the HP they have today...but just like Millennials everybody needs everything right away, "Instant Gratification"!!! If you want the system to work then don't move classes, chase guys down with those combos and make them run hard! Ohhh but that 's right, you might have to be the sacrificial lamb a few times to get results... Yes it will take time for them to get HP put on those combos, just like all the other combos before them and probably longer now due to the dilution of the classes and lack of performance rewards. But it will happen.

Changing or "tweaking" the AHFS to MF all these combos in 1 or 2 years is nothing but absurd and childish!!! Like I said before, there is more than one way for the competitors with these combos to get around receiving mass quantities of HP....If you think they will just play into your hands and destroy their s@#t for a #1 qualifying position at a nothing race, that's crazy!

PS: Mark there are two other options...work on your stuff or change your stuff!!! IMHO

Rant over....the minority groups will prosper in todays societal environment!

[Mark Yacavone]

Mark, I thought I was pretty clear on how to "FIX" the AHFS. Bring back performance to the STK and SS Classes. More class runoffs(we use to have class for either STK or SS at every National Event, some had both (Indy, Gators and Vegas) plus we also had 3 Sports Nationals! Bring Back the Performers Award. Perhaps points for top 5 or top 10 qualifiers, points for class winners? More review periods, not less. I like Charlie's idea for qualifying 64 cars at National Events;

Thanks for clarifying ..You're on the record..Thank you

[Stephen Belanger]

This is a Performance Base Class work on your **** the fast will always be fast because they put the work in to make it fast and to keep it fast. The combo's that have been protected are still good because all those poeple worked together for the most part to keep them that way. I'm all for points for qualifying and more heads up and this is coming from the dad that let his kid get his teeth kicked in a heads up semi final round but it is what it is
Just my 2 cents Stephen Belanger

[Frank Castros]

"Protecting" a combo indicates to me it's under factored. Case in point, 350/255. Sorry James. Just my 2 cents.

[Glenn Briglio]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

"Protecting" a combo indicates to me it's under factored. Case in point, 350/255. Sorry James. Just my 2 cents.

No way that combo is under factored. Hmmn let me think a certain 1969 Dart with the 383 is way under factored. But more power to him. He worked on it and protects it. Nothing stopping anyone from buying or building one.

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

"Protecting" a combo indicates to me it's under factored. Case in point, 350/255. Sorry James. Just my 2 cents.

Really? You pick the wrong combo. 350/255 at 280 HP. Under factored? ��
First of all the car BANGING my combo is a 1970-to 1972 move claiming as a1969 nova
Is that fair? Do I get to change the front bumper?
How about the 1982 to 1985 camaro. At 263hp
Combo takes a 122 under hit
Monday gets hp. By Thursday gets a new front bumper and loses EARNINED HP
So there the problem with AHFS. It’s not applied when earned
FACTS. So please think first when throwing stones

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

"Protecting" a combo indicates to me it's under factored. Case in point, 350/255. Sorry James. Just my 2 cents.

Yeah Frank, I think you're a little bit off on this one. The 350/255 has been getting beat up since it was new.
Let us not forget all of the old wedge combos that got loads of HP reductions during the old Gracia days. There's still a few of them that are real soft.