Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

DeuceCoupe · 10-30-2021, 07:48 PM

I got lots of good factoring help mainly from Dwight Southerland here:

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=62510&page=9

That's where I got the RA4=380hp and other info above.

I've been trying to find all the NHRA "FACTORS" up thru 1971, after that the rules change so much I haven't taken on that era yet.

The Angeles-McCarthy book on that website is superb.
I bought my 1981 version in the 1990s at the Portland swap meet.
Highly suggested if you want to know anything about Pontiac V8s.

Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?

This looks like the class final at 62 Indy.
Both cars have the "T" and are 2dr sedans not bubbletops like Antlocer / Packer so Iont see how the Packer bubbletop could be R/U at least at 62 Indy.

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=867820

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Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 04:05 PM

O/S and DC

There’s a lot of stuff I have to go through....but lets deal with a couple of easy ones..

1 - I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?

2- The only possible error on Antlocer could be that it was not Faubel who was runner up inSS/SA Indy 62. I dont have a list of r/ups,and have not found a pic showing Faubel and Ekstrands 62 Rsmcharger pic racing each other...so there is a possibility Larry Davis got it wrong.

3- 62 Nats results lists Vanke as the driver of the Sasse/Vanke entry , Tin Indian 2.

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Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 04:14 PM

AMX - I read about it being re-factored in an article on the web. The initial rating was farcical.

ALLIE - So the 71 Ragtop Mustang ran the same class in 71 as the Fastback in 69?

OVAL PORT - was the term used inthe 69 SuperStock Magazine

FOMOCO:
The big (3600 lb shipping wt, over 3800 lb on the street) Fastback Cobra/Cyclone indeed won several in SS/J=10.00 and SS/JA=10.00 classes. I have
Winter
Payne SS/J
Caster SS/JA
Spring
Payne SS/J
Glidden SS/JA
Indy
Johnson SS/JA Cyclone -

Gotcha - I completely overlooked winters and spring....and missed the J/SA at Indy. I was getting tired!

PONTIAC:
The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd.
I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?
Here is a picture from Petersen of Max's *62* White Lightning car - I’ll fix that....thanks.

Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

I got lots of good factoring help mainly from Dwight Southerland here:

http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=62510&page=9

Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy?

This looks like the class final at 62 Indy.
Both cars have the "T" and are 2dr sedans not bubbletops like Antlocer / Packer so Iont see how the Packer bubbletop could be R/U at least at 62 Indy.

https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=867820

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SS/S was current year only. So if the Antlocer car was a 61, it couldn't have r/up at 62 Indy inSS/SA.

You may be onto it.

Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 04:50 PM

Further - I have no r/up for 61 Indy S/SA (Cox). and only one confirmation that Don Turner did a solo run to win OS/SA

Which is more likely for the Antlocer car?

oldskool · 10-31-2021, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Further - I have no r/up for 61 Indy S/SA (Cox). and only one confirmation that Don Turner did a solo run to win OS/SA

Which is more likely for the Antlocer car?

Pretty sure the Antlocer car had a 4-speed manual trans, therefore couldn't have run in an auto class.

Here's a pic of the '61 that Hayden Proffitt drove @ Indy '61. It has both S/S & OS/S on it. I'm guessing that lots of racers back then referred to lots of classes as "Super Stock", & sorta lumped 'em all together, rather than callin 'em Top Stock & calling each class by it's specific designation. With this in mind, don't know exactly which specific Super Stock class Antlocer was saying he ran.

oldskool · 10-31-2021, 05:43 PM

"...PONTIAC:
The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd.
I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?..."

Yeah, he had a '61, a '62, as well as a '71 Bird, all named "White Lightning".

May have had others. But I only have pics of those 3.

oldskool · 10-31-2021, 06:04 PM

"... I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?..."

"...PONTIAC – 1962 421 cui Super Duties were produced in enough numbers to qualify for SS/S.

These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..."

I copied & pasted that from your '62 section.

I assume you meant to say the Winter Nats. But, you said the US Nats. The pic you posted shows a '62 with #670 on it. I assume that was @ the Winter Nats.

Yes, Hayden is mentioned driving the Chevy @ Indy, in other parts of the section. But, you obviously made a little booboo, as shown in the part I copied. Easily fixed.

Rat Patrol · 10-31-2021, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

"... I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?..."

"...PONTIAC – 1962 421 cui Super Duties were produced in enough numbers to qualify for SS/S.

These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..."

I copied & pasted that from your '62 section.

I assume you meant to say the Winter Nats. But, you said the US Nats. The pic you posted shows a '62 with #670 on it. I assume that was @ the Winter Nats.

Yes, Hayden is mentioned driving the Chevy @ Indy, in other parts of the section. But, you obviously made a little booboo, as shown in the part I copied. Easily fixed.

Sorry, Ithought you were talking about the tables- not the text. I’ll fix it.

DeuceCoupe · 10-31-2021, 09:11 PM

Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again:
https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/

Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess:

The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp.

The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409"
"409 409"
The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating.
The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409.

In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating.

For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v.

So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp)

Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated.

Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack.

This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.

10-30-2021, 07:48 PM	#1
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 274 Likes: 98 Liked 48 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 I got lots of good factoring help mainly from Dwight Southerland here: http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...t=62510&page=9 That's where I got the RA4=380hp and other info above. I've been trying to find all the NHRA "FACTORS" up thru 1971, after that the rules change so much I haven't taken on that era yet. The Angeles-McCarthy book on that website is superb. I bought my 1981 version in the 1990s at the Portland swap meet. Highly suggested if you want to know anything about Pontiac V8s. Is there any chance that Antlocer 61 Bubbletop on pg14 of Boyce maybe was R/U at 1961 Indy & not 1962 Indy? This looks like the class final at 62 Indy. Both cars have the "T" and are 2dr sedans not bubbletops like Antlocer / Packer so Iont see how the Packer bubbletop could be R/U at least at 62 Indy. https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=867820 Zuckerberg has no customer service & they broke my account so havent been on Facebook in a while. Now they're changing their company name to META. Maybe I can get some META-customer-service, LOL. Last edited by DeuceCoupe; 10-30-2021 at 07:53 PM.

10-31-2021, 04:05 PM	#2
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 169 Likes: 68 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 O/S and DC There’s a lot of stuff I have to go through....but lets deal with a couple of easy ones.. 1 - I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac? 2- The only possible error on Antlocer could be that it was not Faubel who was runner up inSS/SA Indy 62. I dont have a list of r/ups,and have not found a pic showing Faubel and Ekstrands 62 Rsmcharger pic racing each other...so there is a possibility Larry Davis got it wrong. 3- 62 Nats results lists Vanke as the driver of the Sasse/Vanke entry , Tin Indian 2. . Last edited by Rat Patrol; 10-31-2021 at 04:09 PM.

10-31-2021, 04:14 PM	#3
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 169 Likes: 68 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 AMX - I read about it being re-factored in an article on the web. The initial rating was farcical. ALLIE - So the 71 Ragtop Mustang ran the same class in 71 as the Fastback in 69? OVAL PORT - was the term used inthe 69 SuperStock Magazine FOMOCO: The big (3600 lb shipping wt, over 3800 lb on the street) Fastback Cobra/Cyclone indeed won several in SS/J=10.00 and SS/JA=10.00 classes. I have Winter Payne SS/J Caster SS/JA Spring Payne SS/J Glidden SS/JA Indy Johnson SS/JA Cyclone - Gotcha - I completely overlooked winters and spring....and missed the J/SA at Indy. I was getting tired! PONTIAC: The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd. I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car? Here is a picture from Petersen of Max's 62 White Lightning car - I’ll fix that....thanks. Last edited by Rat Patrol; 10-31-2021 at 04:41 PM.

10-31-2021, 04:50 PM	#5
Rat Patrol Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 169 Likes: 68 Liked 31 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Further - I have no r/up for 61 Indy S/SA (Cox). and only one confirmation that Don Turner did a solo run to win OS/SA Which is more likely for the Antlocer car?

10-31-2021, 05:43 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 "...PONTIAC: The Max Sterling picture is not a 62 Cat 421/405sd. I think that picture in your writeup is a 61, maybe his previous car?..." Yeah, he had a '61, a '62, as well as a '71 Bird, all named "White Lightning". May have had others. But I only have pics of those 3. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 10-31-2021 at 05:47 PM.

10-31-2021, 06:04 PM	#8
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 "... I have Proffit driving a Chev at Indy 62, even a pic of his car in the winners circle....so not sure why you thought I listed it as a Pontiac?..." "...PONTIAC – 1962 421 cui Super Duties were produced in enough numbers to qualify for SS/S. These 421 cui motors ran 11:1, dual quad carburretors and were rated to 405. The lightweight panels were available to the approved teams and raced in SS/S. Hayden Proffitt proved the cars worth by winning Top Stock at the US Nationals..." I copied & pasted that from your '62 section. I assume you meant to say the Winter Nats. But, you said the US Nats. The pic you posted shows a '62 with #670 on it. I assume that was @ the Winter Nats. Yes, Hayden is mentioned driving the Chevy @ Indy, in other parts of the section. But, you obviously made a little booboo, as shown in the part I copied. Easily fixed. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 10-31-2021 at 06:23 PM.

10-31-2021, 09:11 PM	#10
DeuceCoupe Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 274 Likes: 98 Liked 48 Times in 44 Posts	Re: Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68 Doggone it all this digging, I looked at 1961 again: https://skunkwerkssuperstock.wordpre...thering-storm/ Another small oops, excusable for a Mopar guy I guess: The 1961 409 was a single 4v, 360hp. The top 1962 409 was the Beach Boys "4-speed dual quad positraction 409" "409 409" The song actually sings 409/409, inches and HP rating. The 409/409hp-8v was the 1st DUAL quad 409. In LATE 62, the 63 service parts (heads & cam IIRC) came out that actually made the 409/409-8v effectively a 409/425hp-8v, even though it kept its 409hp rating. For 63-64, that same engine became the 409/425hp-8v. So pretty much every 409 car you saw in 1960s class racing was a 1962 car, with a 409/425hp-8v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 409hp) or a 409/400hp-4v under the hood (but rated at 1962's 380hp) Not as convoluted as all those Mopar combos (ever count how many 383/330hp engines Mopar had?????) but still complicated. Of course the Beach Boys song features a real 409 soundtrack. This is fun stuff, glad the Nostalgia Stock section has some life again.