Project - NHRA Stock and S/S results 61-68

[DeuceCoupe]

Adding weight:
Per the books I have, thru 1969:
You could NOT add weight - if the shipping weight was 5 lb light, too bad, you went into the bottom of the faster class. So, just a bad combo.

Per my 1989 NHRA book, you could ballast or remove, 100-200 lb or so.
So, not sure about 1977.

The 1973 record had the same classes as 1968, so B/S=8.50, meaning the factor had to be between 370hp and 385hp. Since the RA4 was factored to 380hp back then, the RA2 at 370-375hp makes some sense.

Seems like those pictures are all B/S, but to get up into A/S, well the heaviest year for A/S was 1968 when A/S=8.00. Or, from 1973-up also had A/S=8.00 class To get up into A/S=8.00-8.49 the RA2 would have to be factored at 390-410hp, somewhere in there. I guess that's possible - they factored the RA2 way up, then back down to maybe 370hp. Bottom line is we just dont know.

Either way it seems that B/SA=8.50 Mystery Ben Wolf car of Spring 69 was either a:
69 GTO RA4
69 Bird RA4
68 Bird RA2
Nothing else seems to fit up that high.

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

Oh that's an easier one. For THAT YEAR, factored to 320hp,
67 Z28 = 9.23 fits D/S=9.00
68 Z28 = 9.59 fits E/S=9.50
69 Z28 = 10.05 fits F/S=10.00 but didnt win that class

I've heard 428CJ guys complain about having to run against the little toy Z28 cars. Well, the early Camaros were just LIGHT - and the Z28 had a monster cam, and a bigger carb than the 428CJ, so they made some power.

Sorry..my point was if you have Robertson winning D/Stock 69 Indy, how can Durbin have won E Stock in the same car?

[Rat Patrol]

Originally Posted by DeuceCoupe

OK wait:
I have Davisson winning 69 Winter D/S=9.00 in a 62 Cat 421SD.

McClelland in 69 Spring D/SA=9.00, also 62 Cat 421SD
Sterling in 69 Spring D/S=9.00, again 62 Cat 421SD

The 61 Cat/Ventura 389/333hp has a W/P of just over 11, which would run way down in H/SA=11.00 class in 1969.

The Wolf car 69 Spring B/SA=8.00 could not be a 62 Cat 421SD - those cars are just too heavy.
The lightest aluminum 62 421 SuperDuty Cat I see is the aluminum front 2-door sedan at
3609/405=8.91 which would run in C/SA=8.50 but a bad fit.
The big 421SD always ran at W/P=9.01 from 1968-up which would be D/S=9.00 or D/SA=9.00 in 1969.

A 63 Swiss Cheese Cat could run up in B/SA=8.00 but those were never stock legal - not enough made.

OK, I’m with the program now! I was working backwards...assuming less power = lower class....but forgot about weight.

So in Summary

- Wolf was NOT a Cat , either 333hp or 405hp
- The 333hp cars w ould have run very low classes

I think I’ll just have to take your best guess on Wolf’s car.

[Rat Patrol]

I’VE HAD A WIN! Colsey came through!

See the pics.

[Rat Patrol]

DC & OldSkool - On another tack....I’m making up a list of cars that were seen for the first time in 69 in SS.

Basically any new models, or existing models with new for 69 engines.

So far I have the L72 and ZL1 Camaros, the Hurst AMC AMX ...can you think of any others?

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

I’VE HAD A WIN! Colsey came through!

See the pics.

I found that car in Petersen but wasnt sure, cant see Scalia on it.
Says Z28 in the grille so had some doubts.
But if that's the car it also confirms a cowl hood, which I think kicked the 427/425hp-L72 factor up from 435hp to 445hp. Very close fit to class at W/P=7.57.

I'm officially taking the "pink" out of those boxes so it's "Confirmed" LOL.
As confirmed as anything gets sometimes.

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

Sorry..my point was if you have Robertson winning D/Stock 69 Indy, how can Durbin have won E Stock in the same car?

OK I looked back at the chart (pg4) but those look ok
D/S=9.00 67 Camaro Robertson
E/S=9.50 68 Camaro Durbin

What I do have is D/S=9.00 Robertson BUICK which is what the narrative said but it's wrong. No Buick up that high for one thing but I have Robertson's car picture from Peterson, it's a Camaro.

Those charts will need some updating after all this, but that's the point!

photo of Robertson's 67 Z28 at 69 Indy:
https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=326967

[DeuceCoupe]

I thought Oldskool would like this one.
Looks like the H/SA=11.00 runoff race.
Winner, Merkle in the heavy Fairlane Ragtop 428CJ.

R/U, no name but could it be record-holder Mosley?
Car says "Movin On"
65 Cat 2+2, 421/356-6v fits class, 4055/356=11.39


https://archive.petersen.org/pages/p...php?ref=320904

[DeuceCoupe]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

DC & OldSkool - On another tack....I’m making up a list of cars that were seen for the first time in 69 in SS.

Basically any new models, or existing models with new for 69 engines.

So far I have the L72 and ZL1 Camaros, the Hurst AMC AMX ...can you think of any others?

69 428CJ Fairlane Cobra 4speed RamAir.
(For 68 only the Mustang had those, Fairlanes were all auto flat hood)

69 GTO Ra4

69 Nova 350/LM1.
The LM1 350/255hp was factored to 270hp almost right away & still kept winning. It showed up &won in the Camaro, Nova, Chevelle, Camaro Ragtop, even the big car. It was kind of the new "283".
This is the same engine you'd see for the next 30 years in auto parts store lobbies as a "new GM Goodwrench 350 for $1195" or whatever.
It's just basically a 350/300hp with lower compression.

Some of the Hemi cars got ram air for 1969 which I think was new vs 68.
Factor didnt change AFAIK which is a little strange. NHRA didnt totally know how to handle factoring yet for combos that had EITHER flat hood or cold air. Sometimes cold air got factored higher, sometimes not.

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Rat Patrol

DC & OldSkool - On another tack....I’m making up a list of cars that were seen for the first time in 69 in SS.

Basically any new models, or existing models with new for 69 engines.

So far I have the L72 and ZL1 Camaros, the Hurst AMC AMX ...can you think of any others?

Well, obviously, '69 was the 1st year of the Ram Air 4 round port head engines.

But I don't know of a single car that ran SS, in '69.

John Angeles had a '69 SS Bird that is said to have been the 1st Pontiac 400 powered reg SS Pontiac to break into the 9's, back in 2000. John's daughter Keri was driving it.

But I doubt John was racing it in '69, especially not in SS.

Would probably have had to be a Pontiac dealer sponsored car. There were some dealers racing Stockers back then. But I don't know of any who raced a new '69 Pontiac, in '69, in SS.

I have pics of 2 possibilities. But, I don't know what year they began racing in SS. One had "Strong" on the door & was marked SS/F. The other was Phil Monteith's '69 RAIV "Hatari" Bird, marked SS/FA. I've seem it marked with a stock class designation. So, I don't know that he ran SS, in '69.

Am posting a pic of the "Chief Justice" SS/G '69 Judge. It's a small tire Super Stocker. But again, don't know when it began racing SS.

The "Packin Poncho" was a '69 RAIV SS Judge. I think it ran in AHRA & IHRA events, mostly, since it had an aftermarket hoop scoop. We saw it run back in around '75 or '76 in Amarillo, @ the World Nationals. In this pic, it was running SS3/GA

An aticle on FB says this: "... This is the famous race car of Royce Fowlers - the Packin Poncho. This is 1 of 549 Ram Air IV with a manual transmission. It was originally commissioned in 1969 to be a super stock race car and only has 5124 miles clocked on the odometer..."

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