Has INDY lost its luster ???

1347 · 09-01-2021, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TOSTO RACING

Yes! Can't even fill the 150 quota. Sad. That should tell them something ,but they don't care we already know this. Sometimes I sit and wonder if I made the right choice , but now I know I did ! I'm glad I sold everything !!!!!!!!

The 150 car quota was filled in stock and Super Stock. In fact I think they were both over by at least 5.
Do you think those that pulled out just thought that the AFHS would be lifted? Maybe there were people still trying to get in that couldn't pull the trigger the last minute when it opened up below quota again.

I know people withdraw all the time, and I know some might have pulled out with reasons beyond their control, but I'd like to see if 25+ people withdraw in the last week every year.

DG · 09-01-2021, 04:37 PM

Mineshaft conditions cancelled out the AHFS. Based on historical qualifying, that's what many people expected.

I think Covid, the Canadian border closure, format, AHFS and hurricane Ida were all factors.

MR DERBY CITY · 09-01-2021, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DG

Mineshaft conditions cancelled out the AHFS. Based on historical qualifying, that's what many people expected.

I think Covid, the Canadian border closure, format, AHFS and hurricane Ida were all factors.

However, mineshaft does not negate -1.20 runs AND we are fixing to see a BLOODBATH in H/SA …..

Mike Pearson · 09-01-2021, 06:56 PM

It’s not unusual for 10% of the entries drop out at the last minute. If the goal is to have 150 cars then the quota needs to be 165. Stuff happens. Cars break. Trucks break down. Health and family issues arise. Work sometimes get in the way.
The schedule is not favorable for the stock and super stock classes. Class on Wednesday and first round on Thursday and half the field is on their way home and the event has barely gotten under way. Basically we are Just in the way there.

69camz28 · 09-01-2021, 07:14 PM

I’m 43, and I’ve been to Indy roughly 25 times, obviously starting at a young age. Been to the last 12 or so in a row. All my visits have been as a spectator. I do wish there was no AHFS this year, as you could see tons of drivers lifting early. But I wouldn’t say it’s lost a thing. There are as many cars here as their ever has been, especially with the inclusion of Top Dragster, Top Sportsman and Super Street. I come every year on Wed/Thurs/Fri (I do have to leave after tomorrow this year), that won’t change. The Big Go is awesome.

Stewart Way · 09-01-2021, 08:21 PM

We dropped out early Monday. Not due to luster, AHFS or any thing other than fighting a problem we didn't beat. We tested at Rockingham Thursday, worked again Friday and tested at Atlanta Saturday and made the hard decision not to go. We were fast enough to Q but AHFS was not a concern. Just an issue we didn't feel safe running with. If we had fixed the problem we were set to go. Hated to miss it as we are not getting any younger.

rod butcher · 09-01-2021, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

However, mineshaft does not negate -1.20 runs AND we are fixing to see a BLOODBATH in H/SA …..

It was a hell off a class final .003 at the stripe. The 305/263 combo is safe for now.

MR DERBY CITY · 09-01-2021, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rod butcher

It was a hell off a class final .003 at the stripe. The 305/263 combo is safe for now.

It sure was, the most exciting class final of the day. Congrats to Chris Butcher who won his 8th class Wally at INDY …

Mark Yacavone · 09-01-2021, 09:52 PM

Some reasons why the bloom is off the rose, IMO...Some might be temporary..Some not.
Not necessarily in chronological order.

Class winners no longer automatically qualify.

Single class cars have to run Combo to win a trophy

Higher entry with less money to win..Class money down to peanuts, thanks to NHRA's bogus sponsor fleecing system.

ALL class winners used to have to tear down at Paul Harvey Ford..This separated the workers from the Wallets

Labor day finals..a tradition.

All Stars are a Sportsman program..They belong at Sportsnationals..Put them back where they belong.

No longer calling class in alphabetical order. ( I should have said "running") Another tradition,...gone for the sake of expedience

No Redman

AHFS...What did enforcing it just prove, when it's going to be mineshaft anyway? All it did was hide the fact that there are a few combos that their system can't deal with.

180 quota made for more variety and more effort to make the show. Icing, pushing cars to the water box etc. in order to make or stay in the show. Isn't that what Indy is supposed to be about?

I'm sure there's more...

Frank Castros · 09-02-2021, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Some reasons why the bloom is off the rose, IMO...Some might be temporary..Some not.
Not necessarily in chronological order.

Class winners no longer automatically qualify.

Single class cars have to run Combo to win a trophy

Higher entry with less money to win..Class money down to peanuts, thanks to NHRA's bogus sponsor fleecing system.

ALL class winners used to have to tear down at Paul Harvey Ford..This separated the workers from the Wallets

Labor day finals..a tradition.

All Stars are a Sportsman program..They belong at Sportsnationals..Put them back where they belong.

No longer calling class in alphabetical order. ( I should have said "running") Another tradition,...gone for the sake of expedience

No Redman

AHFS...What did enforcing it just prove, when it's going to be mineshaft anyway? All it did was hide the fact that there are a few combos that their system can't deal with.

180 quota made for more variety and more effort to make the show. Icing, pushing cars to the water box etc. in order to make or stay in the show. Isn't that what Indy is supposed to be about?

I'm sure there's more...

If I could have liked this post 100 times I would have.

09-01-2021, 04:37 PM	#2
DG Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Central Sierra's Posts: 165 Likes: 461 Liked 449 Times in 98 Posts	Re: Has INDY lost its luster ??? Mineshaft conditions cancelled out the AHFS. Based on historical qualifying, that's what many people expected. I think Covid, the Canadian border closure, format, AHFS and hurricane Ida were all factors. Last edited by DG; 09-01-2021 at 04:39 PM.

09-01-2021, 06:56 PM	#4
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,447 Likes: 615 Liked 1,923 Times in 578 Posts	Re: Has INDY lost its luster ??? It’s not unusual for 10% of the entries drop out at the last minute. If the goal is to have 150 cars then the quota needs to be 165. Stuff happens. Cars break. Trucks break down. Health and family issues arise. Work sometimes get in the way. The schedule is not favorable for the stock and super stock classes. Class on Wednesday and first round on Thursday and half the field is on their way home and the event has barely gotten under way. Basically we are Just in the way there. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

09-01-2021, 07:14 PM	#5
69camz28 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 148 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Has INDY lost its luster ??? I’m 43, and I’ve been to Indy roughly 25 times, obviously starting at a young age. Been to the last 12 or so in a row. All my visits have been as a spectator. I do wish there was no AHFS this year, as you could see tons of drivers lifting early. But I wouldn’t say it’s lost a thing. There are as many cars here as their ever has been, especially with the inclusion of Top Dragster, Top Sportsman and Super Street. I come every year on Wed/Thurs/Fri (I do have to leave after tomorrow this year), that won’t change. The Big Go is awesome.

09-01-2021, 08:21 PM	#6
Stewart Way Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Atlanta Posts: 476 Likes: 20 Liked 70 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Has INDY lost its luster ??? We dropped out early Monday. Not due to luster, AHFS or any thing other than fighting a problem we didn't beat. We tested at Rockingham Thursday, worked again Friday and tested at Atlanta Saturday and made the hard decision not to go. We were fast enough to Q but AHFS was not a concern. Just an issue we didn't feel safe running with. If we had fixed the problem we were set to go. Hated to miss it as we are not getting any younger. __________________ Stewart Way 2424 SS

09-01-2021, 09:52 PM	#9
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,815 Likes: 2,903 Liked 5,121 Times in 1,952 Posts	Re: Has INDY lost its luster ??? Some reasons why the bloom is off the rose, IMO...Some might be temporary..Some not. Not necessarily in chronological order. Class winners no longer automatically qualify. Single class cars have to run Combo to win a trophy Higher entry with less money to win..Class money down to peanuts, thanks to NHRA's bogus sponsor fleecing system. ALL class winners used to have to tear down at Paul Harvey Ford..This separated the workers from the Wallets Labor day finals..a tradition. All Stars are a Sportsman program..They belong at Sportsnationals..Put them back where they belong. No longer calling class in alphabetical order. ( I should have said "running") Another tradition,...gone for the sake of expedience No Redman AHFS...What did enforcing it just prove, when it's going to be mineshaft anyway? All it did was hide the fact that there are a few combos that their system can't deal with. 180 quota made for more variety and more effort to make the show. Icing, pushing cars to the water box etc. in order to make or stay in the show. Isn't that what Indy is supposed to be about? I'm sure there's more... __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers Last edited by Mark Yacavone; 09-01-2021 at 11:21 PM.