80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 01:41 PM

"...apparently Super Tricks are notoriously weak, but light weight?..."

Cragar also made "Street Super Tricks"(SST). Those would have obviously been stronger & heavier.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17471529745...sAAOSw-IlgShJc

IMO, those would not have been as good as the alum "fake" tricks I bought. Definitely not as light.

Those I bought for our '67 Bird were American Racing brand "Outlaw 1" wheels. They're still available.

https://www.jegs.com/p/American-Raci...32551/10002/-1

I'd posted that those wheels were Appliance brand. That was wrong. The wheels I bought in '77 were Appliance brand. But those showing on the front of the '67 Bird, in '88, were the American Racing Outlaw 1 wheels. I edited that post & made the correction.

SS BRP · 08-20-2021, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

"...apparently Super Tricks are notoriously weak, but light weight?..."

Cragar also made "Street Super Tricks"(SST). Those would have obviously been stronger & heavier.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/17471529745...sAAOSw-IlgShJc

IMO, those would not have been as good as the alum "fake" tricks I bought. Definitely not as light.

Those I bought for our '67 Bird were American Racing brand "Outlaw 1" wheels. They're still available.

https://www.jegs.com/p/American-Raci...32551/10002/-1

I'd posted that those wheels were Appliance brand. That was wrong. The wheels I bought in '77 were Appliance brand. But those showing on the front of the '67 Bird, in '88, were the American Racing Outlaw 1 wheels. I edited that post & made the correction.

I didnt know the Outlaw 1 wheels have been around for so long. What Id really like to find are Cragar’s old Weld Draglite knock-off wheel, theyre called Cragar Street Lite wheels. I think they stopped making them late 90’s or early 2000’s, im not sure. They arent even on Ebay, I think theres 1 but its too wide for my application. Never seen them in person, stuff like that.

Stuff thats crazy rare, you just never see anymore that brings people back to those memories is what I love buying for my car, its a very nostalgic time. Most I guess are lost to history, sitting on the side of Paradise Drag Strip, rotting away.

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 04:50 PM

"...Stuff thats crazy rare, you just never see anymore that brings people back to those memories is what I love buying for my car, its a very nostalgic time. Most I guess are lost to history, sitting on the side of Paradise Drag Strip, rotting away."

If you are really serious about buying some of the old stuff, I'd inquire in this thread, AND post ads here, in the classified section.

There are guys here that began racing back in the '50's, & have seen & lived thru it all. Most of 'em know LOTS of other long time racers. Some guys get rid of their old stuff. But, some keep stuff for a long time. Many probably have decent stuff they haven't even thought about, for years.

So, if you ask, you may be able to find exactly what you want. I think Nostalgia racing classes have been quite popular, for quite a while now. So, it may surprise you what you can find out there.

https://www.nmcadigital.com/dl/rules/nss.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1778047672226082/

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 10:15 PM

"...it's important to point out that Roy McKinney was the VERY first NHRA Super Stocker running in a GT class of Super Stock with a 400 cubic inch engine to run in the nines back in 1997. Roy deserves that mention..."

I've probably read that several times. But I suppose it just didn't register. I first heard of Mike & Roy McKinney, back when Mike won Stock at the '77 US Nats, in the same car that Truman Fields had won with, in '73.

And, I've had pics of the McKinney Pontiacs on my computer for several years. But, just a few minutes ago, I realized that I have a pic of that McKinney GT car that broke into the 9's, back in '97.

The 1st pic I have is from the 40th anniversary of the US Nats. From what I can find, that was in 1994 ? The car was running low 10's at that race.

The 2nd pic looks to be the same car, but with a different hood, maybe.

There have now been several 400 Pontiac powered GT cars run in the 9's. But, if that info is correct, the McKinney car was the 1st to do it. And they did it 3 years before Keri Angeles did it with a 400 powered reg SS class '69 Bird.

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 10:56 PM

Just started checkin YouTube for some US Nats videos.

Here's one I thought you might enjoy. It's only about 3 min long. It shows some SS qualifying from the 1983 US Nats.

Since I'm a Pontiac guy, I noticed a couple of Birds. I think the white one was driven by long time Pontiac racer Bob Michael. Couldn't ID the red one. Looked like a '74. So, it may be the H-O Racing Specialties record holder, later, when either Glen Tinsley or John Clegg owned it.

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 11:17 PM

2 more '74 Birds in this one. Can't ID either. Would love to see a qualifying list of that race. Anybody here have one or know where to find one ?

oldskool · 08-20-2021, 11:48 PM

John Clegg's '73 bird is in this one, when he was still running the SD455/stick combo. Also a white early '70's T/A I can't ID.

Most of the SS cars at that race were the popular Chevy models. But, there was a sprinklin of not so common cars. One I noticed in the 1st video I linked looked like a Comet rag top. Probably have not been too many of those run at Indy.

tommy d · 08-21-2021, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

:...it's important to point out that Roy McKinney was the VERY first NHRA Super Stocker running in a GT class of Super Stock with a 400 cubic inch engine to run in the nines back in 1997. Roy deserves that mention..."

I've probably read that several times. But I suppose it just didn't register. I first heard of Mike & Roy McKinney, back when Mike won Stock at the '77 US Nats, in the same car that Truman fields had won with, in '73.

And, I've had pics of the McKinney Pontiacs on my computer for several years. But, just a few minutes ago, I realized that I have a pic of that McKinney GT car that broke into the 9's, back in '97.

The 1st pic I have is from the 40th anniversary of the US Nats. From what I can find, that was in 1994 ? The car was running low 10's at that race.

The 2nd pic looks to be the same car, but with a different hood, maybe.

There have now been several 400 Pontiac powered GT cars run in the 9's. But, if that info is correct, the McKinney car was the 1st to do it. And they did it 3 years before Keri Angeles did it with a 400 powered reg SS class '69 Bird.

Mckinneys have that car back in their possession again.

oldskool · 08-21-2021, 04:30 PM

"...Firebirds, I think 1996-2002. Ive always been a fan of those, I get excited just seeing one on the road. As long as its the 5.7L V8."

Yeah, those bodies look pretty good, especially the black ones with the scooped hood.

BUT, since I'm a self proclaimed "Pontiac Freek", I only get excited about one that is a Pontiac powered drag car.

Otherwise, to me, it's just another Chevy powered Pontiac body.

I think Phil Monteith's 4th gen Hatari Bird took Peter Biondo to at least 2 SS Championships. Won lots of big races.

" Mckinneys have that car back in their possession again."

Is this it in pic 4 ?

Leo Glasbrenner also ran a Pontiac powered 4th gen, for a few years.

I think John Peneta has been driving the red car in recent years. IIRC, it was a Johnny Duncan car. I think maybe Phil Monteith built the motor for it, as well as his Hatari Cars, since it has "Hatari" on the door. I think maybe Sam Biondo drove it some, among others. As always, I could be wrong on some of these details. If so, I'll stand corrected.

oldskool · 08-22-2021, 08:14 AM

"...And those newer Firebirds are nice, mid, to late 70’s models..."

Yeah, & there have been some very competitive '74 & '77/'78 model Birds, thru the years, & even into this century.

The first '74 that comes to my mind was driven by Bob Mulry. IIRC, Pontiac racer Bob Aceves had a hand in it. I've mentioned here that the car set the nat record, in 3 different classes. They had to change it into a T/A, for the heaviest class. It was also #1 qualifier at LOTS of races, out West, running more than a sec & a half under, at some races. Obviously, this kind of performance got some hp added. Same for the '77/'78 Birds.

The '74's could run a 400 4-barrel, 455 D-port, & the SD455. Those SD455 heads are now so valuable that VERY few guys will race 'em.

Right now, Ryan Warter, up in Wash state, runs the only competitive '75 Bird that I'm aware of. I know he's won at least one nat event, for sure.

Only '76 I'm aware of belongs to Kevin Love, in Canada. It was a class winner at Indy, back when Mike Morgan had it.

'77 seems to be the most popular year for 2nd gen Bird Stockers. I can think of lots of 'em. They were very competitive for quite a while. Most choose to run the Formula hood, so they won't have to deal with the T/A shaker scoop & the wheel flairs.

NHRA has kept bumping the hp up to the point where, the same '77 400 engine is more competitive in any '77 body, OTHER THAN a Bird. For example: Bob Michael has built & raced a '77 Lemans & currently has a '77 Catalina. That Cat is the only '77 Cat Stocker I've ever heard of.

There are still some guys running the 400 powered '77 Bird. But, IIRC, when asked, former record holder Dave Ribeiro, said that, with the current hp factors, the '77 Bird might be more competitive with a 350 Pontiac engine.

There are too many '77/'78 Bird Stockers to mention here, But a few I'll mention were raced by: Mark Yacavone, Bill Edgeworth, Dave Ribeiro, Rob Holmes, & the Biondo family. Others have also raced these cars.

08-20-2021, 04:50 PM	#3
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics "...Stuff thats crazy rare, you just never see anymore that brings people back to those memories is what I love buying for my car, its a very nostalgic time. Most I guess are lost to history, sitting on the side of Paradise Drag Strip, rotting away." If you are really serious about buying some of the old stuff, I'd inquire in this thread, AND post ads here, in the classified section. There are guys here that began racing back in the '50's, & have seen & lived thru it all. Most of 'em know LOTS of other long time racers. Some guys get rid of their old stuff. But, some keep stuff for a long time. Many probably have decent stuff they haven't even thought about, for years. So, if you ask, you may be able to find exactly what you want. I think Nostalgia racing classes have been quite popular, for quite a while now. So, it may surprise you what you can find out there. https://www.nmcadigital.com/dl/rules/nss.pdf https://www.facebook.com/groups/1778047672226082/ Last edited by oldskool; 08-20-2021 at 05:05 PM.

08-20-2021, 10:15 PM	#4
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics "...it's important to point out that Roy McKinney was the VERY first NHRA Super Stocker running in a GT class of Super Stock with a 400 cubic inch engine to run in the nines back in 1997. Roy deserves that mention..." I've probably read that several times. But I suppose it just didn't register. I first heard of Mike & Roy McKinney, back when Mike won Stock at the '77 US Nats, in the same car that Truman Fields had won with, in '73. And, I've had pics of the McKinney Pontiacs on my computer for several years. But, just a few minutes ago, I realized that I have a pic of that McKinney GT car that broke into the 9's, back in '97. The 1st pic I have is from the 40th anniversary of the US Nats. From what I can find, that was in 1994 ? The car was running low 10's at that race. The 2nd pic looks to be the same car, but with a different hood, maybe. There have now been several 400 Pontiac powered GT cars run in the 9's. But, if that info is correct, the McKinney car was the 1st to do it. And they did it 3 years before Keri Angeles did it with a 400 powered reg SS class '69 Bird. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-21-2021 at 10:42 AM.

08-20-2021, 10:56 PM	#5
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics Just started checkin YouTube for some US Nats videos. Here's one I thought you might enjoy. It's only about 3 min long. It shows some SS qualifying from the 1983 US Nats. Since I'm a Pontiac guy, I noticed a couple of Birds. I think the white one was driven by long time Pontiac racer Bob Michael. Couldn't ID the red one. Looked like a '74. So, it may be the H-O Racing Specialties record holder, later, when either Glen Tinsley or John Clegg owned it. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-20-2021 at 11:04 PM.

08-20-2021, 11:17 PM	#6
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics 2 more '74 Birds in this one. Can't ID either. Would love to see a qualifying list of that race. Anybody here have one or know where to find one ?

08-20-2021, 11:48 PM	#7
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics John Clegg's '73 bird is in this one, when he was still running the SD455/stick combo. Also a white early '70's T/A I can't ID. Most of the SS cars at that race were the popular Chevy models. But, there was a sprinklin of not so common cars. One I noticed in the 1st video I linked looked like a Comet rag top. Probably have not been too many of those run at Indy. Attached Thumbnails

08-20-2021, 01:41 PM	#1
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics "...apparently Super Tricks are notoriously weak, but light weight?..." Cragar also made "Street Super Tricks"(SST). Those would have obviously been stronger & heavier. https://www.ebay.com/itm/17471529745...sAAOSw-IlgShJc IMO, those would not have been as good as the alum "fake" tricks I bought. Definitely not as light. Those I bought for our '67 Bird were American Racing brand "Outlaw 1" wheels. They're still available. https://www.jegs.com/p/American-Raci...32551/10002/-1 I'd posted that those wheels were Appliance brand. That was wrong. The wheels I bought in '77 were Appliance brand. But those showing on the front of the '67 Bird, in '88, were the American Racing Outlaw 1 wheels. I edited that post & made the correction. Last edited by oldskool; 08-20-2021 at 02:05 PM.

08-21-2021, 04:30 PM	#9
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics "...Firebirds, I think 1996-2002. Ive always been a fan of those, I get excited just seeing one on the road. As long as its the 5.7L V8." Yeah, those bodies look pretty good, especially the black ones with the scooped hood. BUT, since I'm a self proclaimed "Pontiac Freek", I only get excited about one that is a Pontiac powered drag car. Otherwise, to me, it's just another Chevy powered Pontiac body. I think Phil Monteith's 4th gen Hatari Bird took Peter Biondo to at least 2 SS Championships. Won lots of big races. " Mckinneys have that car back in their possession again." Is this it in pic 4 ? Leo Glasbrenner also ran a Pontiac powered 4th gen, for a few years. I think John Peneta has been driving the red car in recent years. IIRC, it was a Johnny Duncan car. I think maybe Phil Monteith built the motor for it, as well as his Hatari Cars, since it has "Hatari" on the door. I think maybe Sam Biondo drove it some, among others. As always, I could be wrong on some of these details. If so, I'll stand corrected. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by oldskool; 08-21-2021 at 05:43 PM.

08-22-2021, 08:14 AM	#10
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: 80’s/90’s Stock and Super Stock pics "...And those newer Firebirds are nice, mid, to late 70’s models..." Yeah, & there have been some very competitive '74 & '77/'78 model Birds, thru the years, & even into this century. The first '74 that comes to my mind was driven by Bob Mulry. IIRC, Pontiac racer Bob Aceves had a hand in it. I've mentioned here that the car set the nat record, in 3 different classes. They had to change it into a T/A, for the heaviest class. It was also #1 qualifier at LOTS of races, out West, running more than a sec & a half under, at some races. Obviously, this kind of performance got some hp added. Same for the '77/'78 Birds. The '74's could run a 400 4-barrel, 455 D-port, & the SD455. Those SD455 heads are now so valuable that VERY few guys will race 'em. Right now, Ryan Warter, up in Wash state, runs the only competitive '75 Bird that I'm aware of. I know he's won at least one nat event, for sure. Only '76 I'm aware of belongs to Kevin Love, in Canada. It was a class winner at Indy, back when Mike Morgan had it. '77 seems to be the most popular year for 2nd gen Bird Stockers. I can think of lots of 'em. They were very competitive for quite a while. Most choose to run the Formula hood, so they won't have to deal with the T/A shaker scoop & the wheel flairs. NHRA has kept bumping the hp up to the point where, the same '77 400 engine is more competitive in any '77 body, OTHER THAN a Bird. For example: Bob Michael has built & raced a '77 Lemans & currently has a '77 Catalina. That Cat is the only '77 Cat Stocker I've ever heard of. There are still some guys running the 400 powered '77 Bird. But, IIRC, when asked, former record holder Dave Ribeiro, said that, with the current hp factors, the '77 Bird might be more competitive with a 350 Pontiac engine. There are too many '77/'78 Bird Stockers to mention here, But a few I'll mention were raced by: Mark Yacavone, Bill Edgeworth, Dave Ribeiro, Rob Holmes, & the Biondo family. Others have also raced these cars. Attached Thumbnails