Indy AHFS Poll

M Brand 505B · 06-06-2021, 08:32 AM

Keep the AHFS. Though the air sucks it's the place where it has the highest chance of working. The AHFS is FAR from perfect but it's the only thing we have. Too many soft combos that could use a little whacked off the top.

Andys dad · 06-07-2021, 08:53 PM

It does not work because too many know how to manipulate the numbers and play the game.

Ron

James Perrone · 06-09-2021, 10:21 AM

Yes But the 120 under will help Should get the hp. That was exsposed
No mulligans at Indy

B Parker · 06-09-2021, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Yes But the 120 under will help Should get the hp. That was exsposed
No mulligans at Indy

James with your way of thinking and Epping Nat having Stock Class. With the weather high of 74 on Friday and the track being Sea Level. It should be almost 2 tenths faster than Indy. We should have a bunch of 120 under runs. But we won't for the same reason you won't see it happening at Indy with the AHFS in place. For most of us it's not worth getting HP for a class trophy.
The majority of races have voted to not have AHFS at Indy. The majority should prevail. How don't you understand that. BP

James Perrone · 06-10-2021, 04:59 PM

Whatever Barry. I guess it’s ok for people to go 120 with no penalties
Sure what’s the sense . Just let everyone do what they want.
No tear down anymore. No tech. Who cares. I see that’s fine
But back when Bill Hawk was abusing you guys running the 396/375 it was OK to have the 120 under trigger. Correct? Say it ain’t so.

B Parker · 06-10-2021, 08:32 PM

James I can't run with several fast cars especially the 2015 Camaro's. No where did I say the rest of what you said. It's my opinion to let Indy be the ONE National that there is no AHFS. At least Indy is one of the few races where there is a good chance if you do go fast enough you will be torn down. Or change the AHFS to reflect the improvements the cars have made in the last 20 years when it was first implemented. Have you seen the list of parts you can use now. It's not the same list that was there when the AHFS was started. BP

And James Bill's car with the specs it has should still be able to out perform the 396/375 cars. I laughed when I saw him pull an aluminum drive shaft out from under his 1967 stang. I doubt even the pro stocks had them in 67

Z20efn8 · 06-13-2021, 02:27 PM

I think they should tell everyone theres no AHFS then do it so everyone gets caught up in their own BS.

maybe its about time to reindex the classes themselves.

I dont see the fun in having more car then youre supposed to. I think if they want to catch people up in stuff they should start teching the cars that are letting off before the finish in class or qualifying. pretty obvious when someone is running .8 under but at 20 less mph than everyone else in class somethings up.

WFO. run your damn cars all out thats what we built them for. at least i did.

thomas sheehan · 06-16-2021, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by M Brand 505B

Keep the AHFS. Though the air sucks it's the place where it has the highest chance of working. The AHFS is FAR from perfect but it's the only thing we have. Too many soft combos that could use a little whacked off the top.

A truer statement has never been made... thanks!
Why have it at all if you are not going to use it.... especially at the biggest race of them all!

4543 · 06-16-2021, 08:47 AM

For me Indy is about seeing our racing family from all over the country and beyond, some of whom I only see once a year and the excitement of heads up class racing. Working on the car all year trying to make it faster, prepping it before class runoffs and racing against the best/fastest racers in your class are what Indy is about. I have raced at Indy where I was sweating out the final qualifying sheet to see if I made it in to the other end of the spectrum where I’m pretty sure I can qualify. AHFS will never work if class is run as last year. In a competitive class with 5 or 6 cars tightly packed together some people simply made the decision to use the passes to just qualify and not prep the car for an all out run. The way class was run last year really took the luster off of Indy for me. A solution to the AHFS could be run class the way we have for the last 50 years excluding last year. If a race qualifies as a mineshaft race should it be mineshaft for everybody? Indy should be the one race where we let it all hang out, leave everything we have on the track. The poll indicates the racers wishes. If NHRA wants confirmation they could do their own poll of the class racers who have attended Indy.
Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

John Duzac · 07-18-2021, 02:21 PM

2021 US Nationals AFIS. Has any new information about use of the AFIS system been decided? It is truly a shame to dum-down class racing at Indy.

View Poll Results: INDY AHFS poll
No AHFS (I have raced there in last 10 years)	118	46.46%
Yes AHFS (I have raced there in the last 10 years)	33	12.99%
No AHFS (I have NOT raced there in last 10 years)	77	30.31%
Yes AHFS (I have NOT raced there in last 10 years)	26	10.24%
Voters: 254. You may not vote on this poll

06-06-2021, 08:32 AM	#1
M Brand 505B Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 158 Likes: 2 Liked 31 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll Keep the AHFS. Though the air sucks it's the place where it has the highest chance of working. The AHFS is FAR from perfect but it's the only thing we have. Too many soft combos that could use a little whacked off the top. __________________ Michael Brand II 505B - F/SA

06-07-2021, 08:53 PM	#2
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll It does not work because too many know how to manipulate the numbers and play the game. Ron __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham

06-09-2021, 10:21 AM	#3
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,681 Likes: 3,388 Liked 1,829 Times in 427 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll Yes But the 120 under will help Should get the hp. That was exsposed No mulligans at Indy __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

06-10-2021, 04:59 PM	#5
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,681 Likes: 3,388 Liked 1,829 Times in 427 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll Whatever Barry. I guess it’s ok for people to go 120 with no penalties Sure what’s the sense . Just let everyone do what they want. No tear down anymore. No tech. Who cares. I see that’s fine But back when Bill Hawk was abusing you guys running the 396/375 it was OK to have the 120 under trigger. Correct? Say it ain’t so. __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

06-10-2021, 08:32 PM	#6
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll James I can't run with several fast cars especially the 2015 Camaro's. No where did I say the rest of what you said. It's my opinion to let Indy be the ONE National that there is no AHFS. At least Indy is one of the few races where there is a good chance if you do go fast enough you will be torn down. Or change the AHFS to reflect the improvements the cars have made in the last 20 years when it was first implemented. Have you seen the list of parts you can use now. It's not the same list that was there when the AHFS was started. BP And James Bill's car with the specs it has should still be able to out perform the 396/375 cars. I laughed when I saw him pull an aluminum drive shaft out from under his 1967 stang. I doubt even the pro stocks had them in 67 Last edited by B Parker; 06-10-2021 at 09:47 PM.

06-13-2021, 02:27 PM	#7
Z20efn8 Junior Member Join Date: May 2021 Posts: 1 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll I think they should tell everyone theres no AHFS then do it so everyone gets caught up in their own BS. maybe its about time to reindex the classes themselves. I dont see the fun in having more car then youre supposed to. I think if they want to catch people up in stuff they should start teching the cars that are letting off before the finish in class or qualifying. pretty obvious when someone is running .8 under but at 20 less mph than everyone else in class somethings up. WFO. run your damn cars all out thats what we built them for. at least i did.

06-16-2021, 08:47 AM	#9
4543 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 642 Likes: 63 Liked 646 Times in 140 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll For me Indy is about seeing our racing family from all over the country and beyond, some of whom I only see once a year and the excitement of heads up class racing. Working on the car all year trying to make it faster, prepping it before class runoffs and racing against the best/fastest racers in your class are what Indy is about. I have raced at Indy where I was sweating out the final qualifying sheet to see if I made it in to the other end of the spectrum where I’m pretty sure I can qualify. AHFS will never work if class is run as last year. In a competitive class with 5 or 6 cars tightly packed together some people simply made the decision to use the passes to just qualify and not prep the car for an all out run. The way class was run last year really took the luster off of Indy for me. A solution to the AHFS could be run class the way we have for the last 50 years excluding last year. If a race qualifies as a mineshaft race should it be mineshaft for everybody? Indy should be the one race where we let it all hang out, leave everything we have on the track. The poll indicates the racers wishes. If NHRA wants confirmation they could do their own poll of the class racers who have attended Indy. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA Last edited by 4543; 06-16-2021 at 09:45 AM.

07-18-2021, 02:21 PM	#10
John Duzac Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Covington, La Posts: 311 Likes: 63 Liked 83 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Indy AHFS Poll 2021 US Nationals AFIS. Has any new information about use of the AFIS system been decided? It is truly a shame to dum-down class racing at Indy. __________________ John Duzac D/S 4448 STK