The Future Of The .90 Classes

SGSST109E · 04-15-2021, 07:19 AM

I still firmly believe it was all about Angel crying on TV that she fouled. I went to a double division race and beat myself up all weekend not being able to hit the number. I found out the following week from a tech guy at the local track that NHRA changed the tree. Thats when I went to SSrt for many years till I had enough power to hit the .370 and moved back to SG

Keith 944 · 04-15-2021, 08:56 AM

I remember the motorcycle racers crying, I remember not being told from race to race what the tree was set at. I really don’t understand why the sportsman classes had to be changed along with the pros
isn’t it just a flip of a switch or a few seconds of programming in the tower? when they did this they basically created the Corvette roadster and .90 classes has became where either you can hit the light or stay home. Some of the big mile an hour problems people complain about are also because you had to have extra horsepower to make the car leave to go red which equals more horsepower and more mph. super Street excluded a lot of cars that can run the number but just can’t cut the light.

JThomas · 04-15-2021, 10:18 AM

Put some "SUPER" back into S/C. 7.50 index with .350 tree.

Regan Wilson · 04-15-2021, 08:58 PM

I can't remember what year it was maybe 09 or10 when it went straight to a .X70 tree. That's why I parked my stuff in early 2011. I fixed the issue and kept trying to came back. I had motor issues, business issues and a broken leg. The next thing I knew I was 53 years old making my first full season in 9 years. I wouldn't do this stuff if I didn't love it. But damn some times it's a PITA. But then again here I am. Lol

NHRA1926 · 04-16-2021, 12:14 PM

How about this. No delay boxes, manual throttle limiters only (no electric or pneumatic limiters), manual shift only, including automatic transmissions (no electrically controlled or CO2 shifters). Let's see how many racers can compete without all the electronic gadgets doing all the work for them. Car must remain under full power to at least to the 1,000 foot timer. Every one knows that people in the stands still do not like this type of racing. They want to see cars under full power all the way down the track, (not fall on it's face for hundreds of feet down the track). And before you start bashing me, know that I run Super Street myself. So this can be done, because this is how I race. I choose to not be a monkey in the car and let all the electronics do the work, while all I have to do is cut a light. Also, once your car is fast enough for Super Gas, it should not be allowed to run in Super Street. Leave Super Street class for the racers that are not running 140 mph +. I'm not trying to bash anyone else's way of racing. We all have our ways of trying to be competitive in these style classes. Just my 2 cents, and I know that it's not gonna be popular with the majority of the Super class racers.

Maverick · 04-16-2021, 01:53 PM

I have a shifter that is co2, but is not electric solenoids, or wires, you have to move the liberty shifter to acuate the air switch's which shift the trans. So the way you say this, would this not meet you requirements for super gas?? You said no co2 shifters

NHRA1926 · 04-16-2021, 02:45 PM

I was talking about Super Street specifically, but I think ALL super classes should be under power all the way down the track without going on a throttle stop style device that makes them fall on their face while traveling down the race track. The main point I was trying to make was that there are WAY to many gadgets in the typical Super class cars. I know, if I don't care for this style of class, I should find another class to race in. I get it. I just think that their is no human element in a car where the electronic devices are doing all the work to make the car run the number. I'm sure you know as well as I do that the stands tend to clear out at a national event when the super classes come to the line. We (the racers) understand our classes, but the typical guy in the stands doesn't care much for cars that that fall on the throttle stop, then take back off again. Don't get me wrong on one point though. I don't care if there are people in the stands, I just want to race. But I just really think the super class rules and equipment have gone WAY to far with all the gadgets used in these class. One more point, if the rule book says Super Street uses a .500 tree, then it should be a .500 tree. Just because the pros have a hard time with the tree, doesn't mean they should change the sportsman tree, especially when the rule book specifically states ".500 Tree"

voltdr · 04-19-2021, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by NHRA1926

How about this. No delay boxes, manual throttle limiters only (no electric or pneumatic limiters), manual shift only, including automatic transmissions (no electrically controlled or CO2 shifters). Let's see how many racers can compete without all the electronic gadgets doing all the work for them. Car must remain under full power to at least to the 1,000 foot timer. Every one knows that people in the stands still do not like this type of racing. They want to see cars under full power all the way down the track, (not fall on it's face for hundreds of feet down the track). And before you start bashing me, know that I run Super Street myself. So this can be done, because this is how I race. I choose to not be a monkey in the car and let all the electronics do the work, while all I have to do is cut a light. Also, once your car is fast enough for Super Gas, it should not be allowed to run in Super Street. Leave Super Street class for the racers that are not running 140 mph +. I'm not trying to bash anyone else's way of racing. We all have our ways of trying to be competitive in these style classes. Just my 2 cents, and I know that it's not gonna be popular with the majority of the Super class racers.

The only thing this would do is put the aftermarket HP industry out of business. The genie is out of the bottle and not going back in..........
Dan

NHRA1926 · 04-20-2021, 02:31 PM

Yup, so big corporate America is now running the NHRA. Tail is wagging the dog, so to speak. God forbid we just race without these big companies complaining about how we race or what equipment we use. We do need these companies for parts, but they shouldn't be able to dictate to NHRA that these classes HAVE TO buy and use their parts to be able to compete in the super classes. So I refuse to. Just like the 2 year expiration dates on the belts. No reason why NHRA can't inspect and re-certify them at the track. It's all about feeding money back to these companies and forcing the racer to flip the bill for it. Don't get me wrong, safety equipment should not be compromised, but why do we have to spend this money every two years? Other sanctioned racing entities don't require it, and those cars sit outside on open trailers, exposed to the weather and sun. The harness in those other cars are always being strained left, right, forward and back. Doesn't make much sense, other than forcing the money issue to these companies.

04-15-2021, 07:19 AM	#1
SGSST109E Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 351 Likes: 62 Liked 126 Times in 61 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes I still firmly believe it was all about Angel crying on TV that she fouled. I went to a double division race and beat myself up all weekend not being able to hit the number. I found out the following week from a tech guy at the local track that NHRA changed the tree. Thats when I went to SSrt for many years till I had enough power to hit the .370 and moved back to SG

04-15-2021, 08:56 AM	#2
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,193 Likes: 1,160 Liked 1,877 Times in 577 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes I remember the motorcycle racers crying, I remember not being told from race to race what the tree was set at. I really don’t understand why the sportsman classes had to be changed along with the pros isn’t it just a flip of a switch or a few seconds of programming in the tower? when they did this they basically created the Corvette roadster and .90 classes has became where either you can hit the light or stay home. Some of the big mile an hour problems people complain about are also because you had to have extra horsepower to make the car leave to go red which equals more horsepower and more mph. super Street excluded a lot of cars that can run the number but just can’t cut the light. __________________ KEITH MAYERS 2-1/2 X somebody Still many X nobody

04-15-2021, 10:18 AM	#3
JThomas Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 33 Likes: 1 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes Put some "SUPER" back into S/C. 7.50 index with .350 tree.

04-15-2021, 08:58 PM	#4
Regan Wilson Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 251 Likes: 158 Liked 134 Times in 70 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes I can't remember what year it was maybe 09 or10 when it went straight to a .X70 tree. That's why I parked my stuff in early 2011. I fixed the issue and kept trying to came back. I had motor issues, business issues and a broken leg. The next thing I knew I was 53 years old making my first full season in 9 years. I wouldn't do this stuff if I didn't love it. But damn some times it's a PITA. But then again here I am. Lol

04-16-2021, 12:14 PM	#5
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 238 Likes: 12 Liked 229 Times in 68 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes How about this. No delay boxes, manual throttle limiters only (no electric or pneumatic limiters), manual shift only, including automatic transmissions (no electrically controlled or CO2 shifters). Let's see how many racers can compete without all the electronic gadgets doing all the work for them. Car must remain under full power to at least to the 1,000 foot timer. Every one knows that people in the stands still do not like this type of racing. They want to see cars under full power all the way down the track, (not fall on it's face for hundreds of feet down the track). And before you start bashing me, know that I run Super Street myself. So this can be done, because this is how I race. I choose to not be a monkey in the car and let all the electronics do the work, while all I have to do is cut a light. Also, once your car is fast enough for Super Gas, it should not be allowed to run in Super Street. Leave Super Street class for the racers that are not running 140 mph +. I'm not trying to bash anyone else's way of racing. We all have our ways of trying to be competitive in these style classes. Just my 2 cents, and I know that it's not gonna be popular with the majority of the Super class racers.

04-16-2021, 01:53 PM	#6
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 299 Likes: 3 Liked 36 Times in 26 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes I have a shifter that is co2, but is not electric solenoids, or wires, you have to move the liberty shifter to acuate the air switch's which shift the trans. So the way you say this, would this not meet you requirements for super gas?? You said no co2 shifters

04-16-2021, 02:45 PM	#7
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 238 Likes: 12 Liked 229 Times in 68 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes I was talking about Super Street specifically, but I think ALL super classes should be under power all the way down the track without going on a throttle stop style device that makes them fall on their face while traveling down the race track. The main point I was trying to make was that there are WAY to many gadgets in the typical Super class cars. I know, if I don't care for this style of class, I should find another class to race in. I get it. I just think that their is no human element in a car where the electronic devices are doing all the work to make the car run the number. I'm sure you know as well as I do that the stands tend to clear out at a national event when the super classes come to the line. We (the racers) understand our classes, but the typical guy in the stands doesn't care much for cars that that fall on the throttle stop, then take back off again. Don't get me wrong on one point though. I don't care if there are people in the stands, I just want to race. But I just really think the super class rules and equipment have gone WAY to far with all the gadgets used in these class. One more point, if the rule book says Super Street uses a .500 tree, then it should be a .500 tree. Just because the pros have a hard time with the tree, doesn't mean they should change the sportsman tree, especially when the rule book specifically states ".500 Tree"

04-20-2021, 02:31 PM	#9
NHRA1926 Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Bowling green, Ky Posts: 238 Likes: 12 Liked 229 Times in 68 Posts	Re: The Future Of The .90 Classes Yup, so big corporate America is now running the NHRA. Tail is wagging the dog, so to speak. God forbid we just race without these big companies complaining about how we race or what equipment we use. We do need these companies for parts, but they shouldn't be able to dictate to NHRA that these classes HAVE TO buy and use their parts to be able to compete in the super classes. So I refuse to. Just like the 2 year expiration dates on the belts. No reason why NHRA can't inspect and re-certify them at the track. It's all about feeding money back to these companies and forcing the racer to flip the bill for it. Don't get me wrong, safety equipment should not be compromised, but why do we have to spend this money every two years? Other sanctioned racing entities don't require it, and those cars sit outside on open trailers, exposed to the weather and sun. The harness in those other cars are always being strained left, right, forward and back. Doesn't make much sense, other than forcing the money issue to these companies.