And the penalties are???

[bubski]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

What they are is BULL****!!!! Cody and Gary, my statement here is nothing personal and I have no beef with either of you, but your penalties piss me off and I’ll explain why! A few year ago, I was in both the national and divisional championship hunt! I had won second round of eliminations at a Lucas oil race (in division) and was getting ready to go up for round three, when here came the tech guys on the golf cart into my pit! They advised me that I could not legally run the class I was running with the car I was claiming. I was dq’d from the race, receiving THE SAME PUNISHMENT that these two received for using illegal parts for performance gains! Now I did make a mistake, that was correctable by changing the year of my car on my tech card. It was a mistake on my part because I got to the track late and was a little rushed to get up there for the first qualifying run. I would not have even tried to make that run but weather was threatening to disrupt the rest of the day, so I wanted that run. Had tech came over with that news after that run, I would have said, ok, let me fix my mistake, throw the run out and let’s move on! That DQ ended up costing me the division championship and a number 2 national finish.

My point being these two get the same punishment for using illegal parts for a performance gain as I did for claiming the wrong year car for the GT class I was running! (Rule changed this year making that mistake impossible). So you can see why this punishment downright offends me! Hell, it should give those who need the help the incentive to cheat! What’s the worst that can happen? A slap on the wrist apparently!!! And for a repeat offender at that!!

OMG !! this is the post of the year !! BUBSKI would like to know how a contender for the national and divisional championship does not know the year of his car and or GT engine combo ?? Did you claim the wrong combo at the previous races you did well at ?? Bubski wonders what happened to the class racer that knew everything about their combo and anyone else in their class !! I guess that train of thought is long gone !! How are the tech people supposed to know you made an honest mistake ?? I No matter the circumstances Bubski would think you would at least know what class your running !! If you were claiming the wrong combo prior to getting tossed !! Do you think it offends the people you sent home ??

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by bubski

OMG !! this is the post of the year !! BUBSKI would like to know how a contender for the national and divisional championship does not know the year of his car and or GT engine combo ?? Did you claim the wrong combo at the previous races you did well at ?? Bubski wonders what happened to the class racer that knew everything about their combo and anyone else in their class !! I guess that train of thought is long gone !! How are the tech people supposed to know you made an honest mistake ?? I No matter the circumstances Bubski would think you would at least know what class your running !! If you were claiming the wrong combo prior to getting tossed !! Do you think it offends the people you sent home ??

The old GT rule had a formula based on the shipping weight. With my car and engine combo, I could run multiple GT classes and claim either an 86-87 Z28, as well as a1990 IROC Z to run SS/JA At the previous race I ran GT/KA which is an 11 lb weight break, the same as SS/JA which is what I run most of the summer. However, due to the old GT formula, I had to claim a lighter car to run GT/JA, which is the Z28. As I stated earlier, I arrived late, and was in a hurry to get to the lanes for Q1! I mistakenly claimed the year car to run GT/KA when I was running GT/JA. No difference in the car at all. I didn’t have to change anything to run these multiple classes. Do you not call that an honest mistake, compared to using an illegal part??? By the way, that GT formula has been deleted from the rules so now I can claim the 1990 IROC Z and legally run all of the above classes.

[Bryan Worner]

Originally Posted by bubski

OMG !! this is the post of the year !! BUBSKI would like to know how a contender for the national and divisional championship does not know the year of his car and or GT engine combo ?? Did you claim the wrong combo at the previous races you did well at ?? Bubski wonders what happened to the class racer that knew everything about their combo and anyone else in their class !! I guess that train of thought is long gone !! How are the tech people supposed to know you made an honest mistake ?? I No matter the circumstances Bubski would think you would at least know what class your running !! If you were claiming the wrong combo prior to getting tossed !! Do you think it offends the people you sent home ??

And who is Bubski??

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

And who is Bubski??

Bubski is a troll who talks about himself in the third person because he's a legend in his own mind.

[Shadylane]

I have a bit of a different take on this. We have complained for several years that NHRA is not doing tech the way we think it should be done, which I agree with. However when they do their job as is the case with Mr. Summers and Mr. Phillips a lot of people are upset not by the results of the inspection but by the penalty’s involved.
In the case of Mr. Summers did NHRA overreact? We have read what NHRA posted, his carburetor was modified. What does that mean? I wasn’t there during the inspection and I would guess neither were any of you, with the exception of Mr. Summers. He posted on this forum that his carb booster was too shiny. Kind of sounded to me like he was down playing it, like it was no big deal. Maybe I would do the same to save face. Was there more to it than that? Obviously NHRA thought so, combined with a previous violation they finally made a statement by putting some teeth into their tech inspection and subsequent violation and it has not been well received. I think what NHRA has done is what we have asked them to do, taking care of business.
Maybe I’m missing something here.

Kelly Lane
4991 Stock

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Shadylane

In the case of Mr. Summers did NHRA overreact? Maybe I’m missing something here. Kelly Lane 4991 Stock

Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.

[BG56]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.

Billy, are you in the belief that "they" were determined to find "something-anything" to bounce a previous offender with a too-fast run/car? (Not a loaded question, but let's cut to the chase)

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by BG56

Billy, are you in the belief that "they" were determined to find "something-anything" to bounce a previous offender with a too-fast run/car? (Not a loaded question, but let's cut to the chase)

No, I don't believe that "they" were determined to find "something-anything". I believe that Summers just ran into a Tech with a conservative translation of the rules. The Rule Book specifically says "Replacement carburetors permitted provided they are same model, type, throttle bore, and venturi size.". Now as far as I'm concerned, the "boat" carb that I have on my car fits the line perfectly BUT the boosters are different. Boosters are NOT addressed. Now, did Summers MODIFY the boosters? It does say something about him polishing the boosters but that's grasping at straws IMHO.

[L.Fite]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Kelly, what's missing here is that there are apparently at least two conflicting stories and rules enforcements going on. For the past few years (since NHRA approved the use of "aftermarket" carburetors in place of certain Holley carbs) NHRA's "policy" has been to "only check venturi size and throttle bores". Carb boosters became a moot point because the "aftermarket" carbs that they approved had completely different boosters in them compared to the OEM carbs.
Now I'll be right up-front here and tell you that the boosters in one of my combos aren't the original or correct boosters but when I mentioned it to an NHRA Tech, I was told the "venturi size and throttle bore" story. Am I legal? Am I not? I've been allowed to run. If I am suddenly NOT legal, I wish that somebody would let me know of a policy or rule change! I don't like being ambushed!
I am certainly not one of Mr. Summers best buddies and I don't know if there is more to the story but from what I've read I would say that Mr. Summers was ambushed.

When I asked Tech. in reference to 396/427, I was also told venturi and throttle bore...
I said "so any 3310 Holley?"...
They said yes...
So I don't know...
The rule also states "no polishing or removal of flash"...
Is that what the Tech. Official saw?...

What I do know is if I had a 50 yr. old vintage carb. I'm not so sure I would allow them to keep it...

We'll have to see what happens if I ever find myself in that predicament...

[SSGT Mustang]

Originally Posted by Bryan Worner

And who is Bubski??

Some loser no doubt who wouldn't have the balls to say that stupid **** to your face.