CLASS RACER wall of SHAME ....

Scott Loge · 03-12-2021, 12:31 AM

So what we’re the disqualifications truly for?
Seen posts about shiny boosters, fuel, throttle body ?

Some interesting commentary on other media and was just wondering?

1 guy sticks to it and gets 22 hp and others go close ta as fast and get zip?
Please keep in mind at that point 5-6 runs had been made at this event.

Just asking?

jamie2370 · 03-12-2021, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Loge

So what we’re the disqualifications truly for?
Seen posts about shiny boosters, fuel, throttle body ?

Some interesting commentary on other media and was just wondering?

1 guy sticks to it and gets 22 hp and others go close ta as fast and get zip?
Please keep in mind at that point 5-6 runs had been made at this event.

Just asking?

The Dodge got 22hp.....but it needed it lol. It can still go 130+ under. The rest were under 1.18 or less and the race was a mineshaft race so nothing counts but faster than 1.20 under. The corvette was DQed for throttle body, Gary Summers was DQed for "too shiny" boosters lol

Ellis V Buth · 03-12-2021, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jamie2370

The Dodge got 22hp.....but it needed it lol. It can still go 130+ under. The rest were under 1.18 or less and the race was a mineshaft race so nothing counts but faster than 1.20 under. The corvette was DQed for throttle body, Gary Summers was DQed for "too shiny" boosters lol

Corvette ran 1.20+ under in the class final...which seems to have prompted the teardown. Summers ran 1.25+ under a couple times throughout the weekend, which also seems to have prompted the teardown.

Since they failed the teardown, there isn't HP added to the combination because it was deemed the cars weren't "legal." The Dodge got torn down as well, and was found legal, so the HP gets added to that combination.

Think about it...if you have that Corvette or Mustang II combination at home in your garage waiting for next race weekend, and the car that got the HP was DQ'ed by tech after a teardown...how is it right to add HP to your combo???

James Perrone · 03-13-2021, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

Corvette ran 1.20+ under in the class final...which seems to have prompted the teardown. Summers ran 1.25+ under a couple times throughout the weekend, which also seems to have prompted the teardown.

Since they failed the teardown, there isn't HP added to the combination because it was deemed the cars weren't "legal." The Dodge got torn down as well, and was found legal, so the HP gets added to that combination.

Think about it...if you have that Corvette or Mustang II combination at home in your garage waiting for next race weekend, and the car that got the HP was DQ'ed by tech after a teardown...how is it right to add HP to your combo???

Because there SOFT as peanut butter and NEED HP or reclassification into the right class . These combos are BOGUS. Makes the competition look slow and useless
The hp hit would not ruin themselves. There that SOFT.

ken robinson · 03-13-2021, 09:49 AM

Great point Robin , in my opinion , it might be a good idea to ban sensors on wheels & drive shafts & hand out ecu's on race day like they hand out restrictor plate at nascar tracks or some type of spot check at the scales at least .
. Also all throttle bodies should be fully manual linkage [ equall to a carb } no drive by wire .

Signman · 03-13-2021, 11:26 AM

For years NHRA has not allowed wheel and driveshaft sensors directly connected to ECU internal data loggers. Bo Kenney warned me about that in 2009 when the season before he was checked at several national events. As part of your agreement to race this access is granted same as checking your carb. If NHRA lost the equipment or has no one trained is on them it's simple as accessing the ECU and looking at settings. The list of approved ECUs is known accessing each and what to look for can be provided by manufacturer with basic computer skills, minimal training and a guidebook for each it's easy.

If you are logging DS speed it must be a separate device the sensor cannot be directly wired to the ECU disabling traction control.
It's all about traction control and wheel counting.

What brought attention recently was a pro mod team not allowing NHRA to look (so they have the ability) the argument being exposing fuel and timing maps which are proprietary to the team may be copied and shared. If the team had doubts about NHRA personnel morality or had something to hide is between them and NHRA.

What you do with your car is your business and NHRA if there are any doubts. Years ago I was questioned about having a transbrake. Funny thing I didn't have a 2 step never have!

By the way MSD Grid can do with a carb combo most of what EFI ECU can do.

03-12-2021, 12:31 AM	#1
Scott Loge Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Livermore,Ca Posts: 334 Likes: 15 Liked 145 Times in 32 Posts	Re: CLASS RACER wall of SHAME .... So what we’re the disqualifications truly for? Seen posts about shiny boosters, fuel, throttle body ? Some interesting commentary on other media and was just wondering? 1 guy sticks to it and gets 22 hp and others go close ta as fast and get zip? Please keep in mind at that point 5-6 runs had been made at this event. Just asking?

03-13-2021, 09:49 AM	#5
ken robinson Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: tomsriver nj Posts: 479 Likes: 74 Liked 224 Times in 87 Posts	Re: CLASS RACER wall of SHAME .... Great point Robin , in my opinion , it might be a good idea to ban sensors on wheels & drive shafts & hand out ecu's on race day like they hand out restrictor plate at nascar tracks or some type of spot check at the scales at least . . Also all throttle bodies should be fully manual linkage [ equall to a carb } no drive by wire .

03-13-2021, 11:26 AM	#6
Signman Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lower Slower Delaware Posts: 535 Likes: 22 Liked 269 Times in 99 Posts	Re: CLASS RACER wall of SHAME .... For years NHRA has not allowed wheel and driveshaft sensors directly connected to ECU internal data loggers. Bo Kenney warned me about that in 2009 when the season before he was checked at several national events. As part of your agreement to race this access is granted same as checking your carb. If NHRA lost the equipment or has no one trained is on them it's simple as accessing the ECU and looking at settings. The list of approved ECUs is known accessing each and what to look for can be provided by manufacturer with basic computer skills, minimal training and a guidebook for each it's easy. If you are logging DS speed it must be a separate device the sensor cannot be directly wired to the ECU disabling traction control. It's all about traction control and wheel counting. What brought attention recently was a pro mod team not allowing NHRA to look (so they have the ability) the argument being exposing fuel and timing maps which are proprietary to the team may be copied and shared. If the team had doubts about NHRA personnel morality or had something to hide is between them and NHRA. What you do with your car is your business and NHRA if there are any doubts. Years ago I was questioned about having a transbrake. Funny thing I didn't have a 2 step never have! By the way MSD Grid can do with a carb combo most of what EFI ECU can do. __________________ Frank Ferrucci I/SA 1271 "Be Thankful for the Gifts You are Given"