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[1347]

Originally Posted by L.Fite

No code... just a general question...
It does fit as an example of the grayness I see in the rules...
Sometimes it is so confusing especially with the approved replacement stuff.

I'll go sit in the truck... can I change the station on the radio?

What is the combo you are questioning? And what is the replacement head that you are allowed to run? The "code" part is that you are vaguely asking about an approved replacement head without even talking the specifics.

[Larry Hill]

I think all aluminum replacement heads for the OEM heads carried a 5 Hp. penalty to start with.

[Capri]

I have had the only car with my combination since 1996 that has stayed in current competition. There was at least one other that was built and raced. Said racer was told not to accept our help cause we were cheating and would not give them good information. Said racer also sold car after not being able to get the car to go any faster and moved on.

In the last few years, another racer is running a similar combination to mine, but it has a different HP rating. YET every single aspect of the parts in numerics are the same. From head casting, to throttle body, to piston size. HP rating difference from one car to the other is 50 factory HP!!!!!!!! No clue what their car weighs compared to mine, and really doesnt matter. We both are doing our own thing. Ironically, we run about the same. A pair of one off combinations, even though every aspect of the motors are identical. If one of us had something funny going on, Im sure the barn would tell the tale very quickly. Many years ago, my stuff was used for measurements cause I was the only game around.

You take a 305 chebbie, where everyone has on in Stock eliminator............ and it fits how many different cars with how many different castings to mix and match............Id say its a whole lot less easy to find someone who is doing something completely out of whack.

Or like earlier said Duster who has been MIA now. Class racing with a big inch bracket motor and getting whacked............. Yeah, we dont like that. Mistakes are one thing........ Like a well known Hemi racer installing the wrong motor for Indy and wondering why he was slower than the other AA cars at the time........... blew it up and found out what motor was in the car............ Didnt like 0wt oil....... OOPS. He laughed and left the track with a short suspension from what I recall....

But then again, a 9" radial is still not legal, right?

[doglover44]

Originally Posted by Capri

I have had the only car with my combination since 1996 that has stayed in current competition. There was at least one other that was built and raced. Said racer was told not to accept our help cause we were cheating and would not give them good information. Said racer also sold car after not being able to get the car to go any faster and moved on.

In the last few years, another racer is running a similar combination to mine, but it has a different HP rating. YET every single aspect of the parts in numerics are the same. From head casting, to throttle body, to piston size. HP rating difference from one car to the other is 50 factory HP!!!!!!!! No clue what their car weighs compared to mine, and really doesnt matter. We both are doing our own thing. Ironically, we run about the same. A pair of one off combinations, even though every aspect of the motors are identical. If one of us had something funny going on, Im sure the barn would tell the tale very quickly. Many years ago, my stuff was used for measurements cause I was the only game around.

You take a 305 chebbie, where everyone has on in Stock eliminator............ and it fits how many different cars with how many different castings to mix and match............Id say its a whole lot less easy to find someone who is doing something completely out of whack.

Or like earlier said Duster who has been MIA now. Class racing with a big inch bracket motor and getting whacked............. Yeah, we dont like that. Mistakes are one thing........ Like a well known Hemi racer installing the wrong motor for Indy and wondering why he was slower than the other AA cars at the time........... blew it up and found out what motor was in the car............ Didnt like 0wt oil....... OOPS. He laughed and left the track with a short suspension from what I recall....

But then again, a 9" radial is still not legal, right?

When did that all happen ?

[GTX JOHN]

You can buy a piston from any manufacture = Tell them it is for superstock or a bracket car maybe some other non stock eliminator use. Then lazer cut the NHRA approval on it yourself - Is that your violation and did you not mislead the manufacturer of your purpose?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

You can buy a piston from any manufacture = Tell them it is for superstock or a bracket car maybe some other non stock eliminator use. Then lazer cut the NHRA approval on it yourself - Is that your violation and did you not mislead the manufacturer of your purpose?

John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

[bykr]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

Especially now with gas ported rings that are essentially legal.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

Joe, Of course, the ring height can be measured with the head off, so what 's NHRA's problem with checking it?
If they go that route, then REAL replacement Stock pistons are at even more of a disadvantage. Another shot at the budget racer, and another rule revision rammed through by the cheaters.
So then what happens? Under weight pistons and rods? Knife edged cranks?
Where does it end?

[Jon Sarrett]

Originally Posted by doglover44

When did that all happen ?

The Duster incident happened last year at the Joilet points meet. He was the D3 rep in stock and could hardly run the index (post teardown) after going consistently .80-.90 under for years. I've been through many teardowns and NEVER lost 8 tenths or more.