First VS Worst red light

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Speer Drag Racing

As I was reading through the responses, Jason's response is exactly what was going through my head! I will deal with the rules however they are decided. We all can't be as good as Jeff who has never been distracted by a slower car leaving! I had issues with that for years and have worked my butt off at becoming as focused as possible but it's still difficult. I say leave it as is!

I would never say I never had trouble with slow cars, but I worked it out and its a non issue. Im just Joe Average guy so I feel if I can do it anyone can do it if they practice and try.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

That's what we do during eliminations. If there is a heads up like we all enjoy about class racing, guess what, worst red light is the loser. So we kind of already have the rule. If you dont like the worst light rule, then in heads up just make it furthest under index wins. That way worst red light rule is removed like the rest of the rounds.

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

[Mike Rietow]

Originally Posted by 1347

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

He's not saying change the rule. He's saying the rule is already in affect, worst red light is loser heads up.

He's right, the worst red light rule is already in affect.

[Ernie Neal]

Okay, number one the redlight is not how to start the race (I know for I do it all the time). I have no problem with the first redlight is the loser. I have fast and slow cars.

I am not the guy that moves next to a dragstrip and complains about the noise either. In other words, when I read the rulebook and accepted this as the venue that I would be competing in, I don’t expect the rules to be changed to meet my personal needs. I’m glad to get away from flag starters and the 5 bulb tree. I do like the reaction timers, just so I can tell how good or bad I was. I think we are good with the way it is.

I don’t have anything good to say about the truestart system. I’m pleased someone created it, for their benefit. I feel that if NHRA wanted it they would have had it created.

I personally don’t feel your truestart pain.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

[Allen Wilson III]

In a non-handicapped race, first and worst are the same. We have to pick one or the other.

If your philosophy is that race cars should go fast and advantages should go to the faster car, then I see why you'd prefer first red loses. If your philosophy is that it's a bracket race and the goal is precision, then I see why you'd prefer worst red loses.

Since Stock, SS, and Comp for that matter are performance based classes, I have a hard time seeing it changing... but wouldn't complain if it does. I do think it's hard to justify why someone who is -.001 deserves to lose more than someone who is -.200 red in the same run, but those are the rules and "that's how we've always done it"

[Lenny5160]

Originally Posted by Allen Wilson III

Since Stock, SS, and Comp for that matter are performance based classes, I have a hard time seeing it changing...

As true as that may be, at the same time you could have a A/SA that barely runs the index getting a slight statistical advantage over the baddest I/SA in the country just because it's quicker, but not "better performing".

[Mark Yacavone]

Food for thought.
NHRA makes changes to the format all the time .
Not the same as allowing more goodies. (All due respect to my brother BP)
i.e. Space age materials not allowed in Pro/S , but allowed in Stock.


When R/T's started to appear on time slips , I'm sure the Mopar backed teams didn't like it one bit, having practiced R/T's at their exclusive test sessions.

When the 3 amber tree came out, I was driving a stick car, without a 2 step. I was used to having time to look back and forth between the tree and the tach. I didn't like it, but had to adapt.

I don't see where Tru-start in effect, would change much of anything. If you're looking around, instead of being locked in, I don't know what to tell you..Maybe Sal or Peter could help you ..;-)

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Ernie Neal

Okay, number one the redlight is not how to start the race (I know for I do it all the time). I have no problem with the first redlight is the loser. I have fast and slow cars.

I am not the guy that moves next to a dragstrip and complains about the noise either. In other words, when I read the rulebook and accepted this as the venue that I would be competing in, I don’t expect the rules to be changed to meet my personal needs. I’m glad to get away from flag starters and the 5 bulb tree. I do like the reaction timers, just so I can tell how good or bad I was. I think we are good with the way it is.

I don’t have anything good to say about the truestart system. I’m pleased someone created it, for their benefit. I feel that if NHRA wanted it they would have had it created.

I personally don’t feel your truestart pain.

Ernie Neal
SS 354

Asking to get parts on my car legal to go faster is a personal benefit. Asking 25 HP off my car only is a personal benefit. True start makes every one from trying to not red light. Now it's just the slow car that have to worry. Sounds like the current way is a personal benefit for the faster of 2 cars.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by 1347

So you are for true start and you want heads ups to be that the faster car wins no matter what the light is? Well that will ruin heads up racing if thats the case. You have never watched a heads up race with a David and Goliath story of a holeshot win with the slower car getting the win because the faster car may have been over cautious? People complain that class racing is hard enough to follow already. It would be stupid to remove the redlight in a heads up race. Every other heads up race from Top Fuel to Street outlaws as fake as it is penalizes someone for leaving early in a heads up race.

I say no to true start in any capacity of class racing.

I was making a point. An analogy. You allow worst redlight in heads up, but not during other passes. Why?
Yes no red light in heads up would kill any chance for me to win.