First VS Worst red light

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Hacksaw

No to True Start. If you want it, go bracket race.

That's what we do during eliminations. If there is a heads up like we all enjoy about class racing, guess what, worst red light is the loser. So we kind of already have the rule. If you dont like the worst light rule, then in heads up just make it furthest under index wins. That way worst red light rule is removed like the rest of the rounds.

[RULER]

True start is a liberal way of running a race slow cars have an advantage of having a clean tree leave the rules alone siow cars almost never spin the tires, give fast cars traction control and the ability to block the vision of the other lane then you can have it

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by RULER

True start is a liberal way of running a race slow cars have an advantage of having a clean tree leave the rules alone siow cars almost never spin the tires, give fast cars traction control and the ability to block the vision of the other lane then you can have it

Cant help you on traction, but blinders is fine with me.

[Lenny5160]

If there is a logical argument against TruSTART, I’d love to hear it. It’s the way it should be and would have always been done if technology allowed it.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

If there is a logical argument against TruSTART, I’d love to hear it. It’s the way it should be and would have always been done if technology allowed it.

AMEN....it’s not the first breakout,.....but the worst breakout....l

[J DeForrest]

Originally Posted by Lenny5160

If there is a logical argument against TruSTART, I’d love to hear it.

If you look at it logically, only the tree matters here. Keep out any other fast car vs slow car advantages/disadvantages. I have been running S/SS for only 15 yrs, but been around it for over 40, and have never ran into ANYONE who thinks there is an advantage to the slow end of a staggered tree. The rule is fine as-is, as it can level out the non-clean tree racer in rare instances. This Tru-start in MY opinion is one baby step towards 'everyone gets a trophy'

The only situation Tru start makes sense to me is a delay box class with crosstalk on, but that is another conversation.

[Dave Noll]

Seems to be a more civil response this time around.

[Mike Rietow]

You want rules that are rational,make sense and are not arbitrary.

First is worse is arbitrary. Arbitrary is authoritarian, authoritarian is leftist.

The argument because the fast car doesn't have a clean tree, it should given the advantage of first is worse, isn't a rational argument. It's an opinion.

Ya definitely don't want subjective (opinion) rules.

Objectivity through rational thought is western and masculine concept liberals challenge on a daily basis across this country, and we're losing enough ground as it is.

You want rules that are objective , make sense and are not arbitrary..

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by J DeForrest

If you look at it logically, only the tree matters here. Keep out any other fast car vs slow car advantages/disadvantages. I have been running S/SS for only 15 yrs, but been around it for over 40, and have never ran into ANYONE who thinks there is an advantage to the slow end of a staggered tree. The rule is fine as-is, as it can level out the non-clean tree racer in rare instances. This Tru-start in MY opinion is one baby step towards 'everyone gets a trophy'

The only situation Tru start makes sense to me is a delay box class with crosstalk on, but that is another conversation.

Non clean tree doesn't hold water with me. At brackets races I pretty much spot all cars and have not seen the case in not having a clean tree. The focus is on the tree, then keep car straight as possible , then after in drive I start looking for opponent . If your watching slow car leave and interfere with your focus I can only suggest more bracket races, team races,s/ss combos and at the big div and nats you can hopefully go more rounds.

[Speer Drag Racing]

Originally Posted by J DeForrest

If you look at it logically, only the tree matters here. Keep out any other fast car vs slow car advantages/disadvantages. I have been running S/SS for only 15 yrs, but been around it for over 40, and have never ran into ANYONE who thinks there is an advantage to the slow end of a staggered tree. The rule is fine as-is, as it can level out the non-clean tree racer in rare instances. This Tru-start in MY opinion is one baby step towards 'everyone gets a trophy'

The only situation Tru start makes sense to me is a delay box class with crosstalk on, but that is another conversation.

As I was reading through the responses, Jason's response is exactly what was going through my head! I will deal with the rules however they are decided. We all can't be as good as Jeff who has never been distracted by a slower car leaving! I had issues with that for years and have worked my butt off at becoming as focused as possible but it's still difficult. I say leave it as is!