Tracks opening this weekend

Carguy49 · 05-04-2020, 05:59 PM

Not a good situation at Edgewater.

Willyracer · 05-04-2020, 06:35 PM

Think the Edgewater event was closed to the pubic.
A no-prep race. Maybe around 20 some cars
What bought the attention was a guy from Ny wreck his
sedan and burnt it to the ground. Fire dept was called in.
There was a video on "Y tub*" but has been removed.
Have seen it on several other racing sites.
I heard the story on a radio station and they made it sound
Like it was big event. Not the under the radar private
Event it was.
Not looking good for the Edge but we will see.
Hope it all blows over and everybody can get to racing

FireSale · 05-04-2020, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carguy49

Not a good situation at Edgewater.

Someone filed a complaint against Bremerton for it's planned race this weekend. Track got a Cease and Desist order in the mail. Might have to stay closed until July 9 or something like that. The Footbrake Race was going to be the weekend of the 4th.

Carguy49 · 05-04-2020, 07:07 PM

Bremerton had a good game plan for safety. The website still shows the race as happening. Let's see what happens.

Dennis is busting his butt trying to get things happening. I hope it is still a go.

Dale, where did you get your info??

Update: The weekend is cancelled.

Don Kennedy · 05-04-2020, 07:44 PM

These “orders” — stay at home, close your business, don’t run in the park, don’t go to Mass, practice social distancing — are not laws that can carry a criminal penalty for violation. They are guidelines, without the force of law. A governor or mayor can no more craft law and assign a punishment for its noncompliance than the courts could command the military or police.

Even if legislative bodies did order churches and businesses closed, and governors and mayors were just enforcing those laws, the laws would be profoundly unconstitutional. The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment firmly establishes freedom of religion as a fundamental liberty, and the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment firmly establishes your right to purchase a lawful product in interstate commerce from a willing seller as fundamental.

Fundamental liberties are in the highest category of liberty, akin to freedom of conscience and speech and press and privacy and travel.

Let’s say you are at a big-box store looking for groceries and other items. The government cannot constitutionally limit your choices to food and paper towels if you prefer to buy grass seed and a garden hose. These are intimate personal decisions. You need not explain or justify them to the government and you don’t need a government permission slip to exercise your free will and make those choices.

Until now.

Now, we have become a nation of sheep. We have elected officials with constitutionally assigned duties — and constitutionally imposed limitations — who have assumed to themselves dictatorial powers and have falsely claimed that they can interfere with our personal choices. Who are the governors to decide which human activities are essential? Abortion is essential but Mass is not? No constitution gave them that power.

There are two schools of thought on the impairment of fundamental liberties. One requires strict scrutiny and the other requires due process. The strict scrutiny standard mandates the existence of a compelling state interest addressed by the least restrictive means. The procedural due process standard mandates a trial at which the state must prove fault or guilt. The substantive due process standard puts certain personal decisions beyond governmental reach.

Closing churches meets no constitutional standard. There is no question that fighting a pandemic is a compelling state interest, yet there are far less restrictive ways to address it than preventing worship. Wearing masks and gloves, staying 10 feet apart, holding Mass outdoors, even taking a personal risk and then self-quarantining are far less restrictive and constitutionally offensive than closing churches.

New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio violated his oath to uphold the Constitution when he threatened to use force to close permanently all houses of worship that defied his guidelines. And a small-town police department in northern New Jersey exquisitely violated the constitutional rights of Catholics — while enforcing the ever-changing whims of Gov. Phil Murphy. The police claimed they were following the governor’s orders when they barred a priest on Palm Sunday from distributing palms in sealed plastic bags while he and each parishioner wore masks and gloves and were six feet apart in the fresh outdoors.

Enough is enough.

Stan Weiss · 05-05-2020, 02:52 PM

Illinois Gov. Pritzker's religious freedom add-on makes stay-at-home order constitutional, federal judge says

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-...igious-freedom

Quote:

Pritzker had revised his stay-at-home order by Thursday evening, classifying some worship services as essential, and promoting the “free exercise of religion,” so long as gatherings don’t exceed more than 10 people and congregants adhere to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s social distancing guidance to keep at least six feet apart.

Stan

Don Kennedy · 05-05-2020, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss

Illinois Gov. Pritzker's religious freedom add-on makes stay-at-home order constitutional, federal judge says

https://www.foxnews.com/us/illinois-...igious-freedom

Stan

Democrat Judge still trying to control all

Tex013 · 05-05-2020, 05:57 PM

Don ,
I will make this comment from far away .
I get americans are mostly about freedom and such but calling people sheep and socialists is somewhat crude .
There is no I in team , and sometimes you just have to do something for the greater good . Not just what is good for you . I am sure JFK had something to say about that .
Maybe they , supporeters of restrictions , are just being pragmatic ?
I may not be happy my business is suffering , but , when faced with a nasty disease that is a reasonable chance to kill me or mine if left unchecked I think I will go with restrictions . Here in Aus we tend to the pragmatic ,our government got ahead of the curve and gave detail of why and we seem to be coming out the other side in reasonably healthy state. No we are not racing either yet . Though if the boofhead footballers get their way to play I see no reason at that point to not be able to race , just in front of no crowds . Ooops don't get them at track championship level

Tex

05-04-2020, 05:59 PM	#1
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,972 Likes: 2,456 Liked 2,928 Times in 703 Posts	Re: Tracks opening this weekend Not a good situation at Edgewater. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends.

05-04-2020, 06:35 PM	#2
Willyracer Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Posts: 88 Likes: 8 Liked 57 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Tracks opening this weekend Think the Edgewater event was closed to the pubic. A no-prep race. Maybe around 20 some cars What bought the attention was a guy from Ny wreck his sedan and burnt it to the ground. Fire dept was called in. There was a video on "Y tub*" but has been removed. Have seen it on several other racing sites. I heard the story on a radio station and they made it sound Like it was big event. Not the under the radar private Event it was. Not looking good for the Edge but we will see. Hope it all blows over and everybody can get to racing

05-04-2020, 07:07 PM	#4
Carguy49 VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Fife, Washington Posts: 1,972 Likes: 2,456 Liked 2,928 Times in 703 Posts	Re: Tracks opening this weekend Bremerton had a good game plan for safety. The website still shows the race as happening. Let's see what happens. Dennis is busting his butt trying to get things happening. I hope it is still a go. Dale, where did you get your info?? Update: The weekend is cancelled. __________________ Ron McDowell - Did Race Every day is a Gift - Enjoy with family and friends. Last edited by Carguy49; 05-04-2020 at 08:22 PM. Reason: more

05-04-2020, 07:44 PM	#5
Don Kennedy VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Near Portland TN Posts: 1,590 Likes: 3,876 Liked 902 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Tracks opening this weekend These “orders” — stay at home, close your business, don’t run in the park, don’t go to Mass, practice social distancing — are not laws that can carry a criminal penalty for violation. They are guidelines, without the force of law. A governor or mayor can no more craft law and assign a punishment for its noncompliance than the courts could command the military or police. Even if legislative bodies did order churches and businesses closed, and governors and mayors were just enforcing those laws, the laws would be profoundly unconstitutional. The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment firmly establishes freedom of religion as a fundamental liberty, and the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment firmly establishes your right to purchase a lawful product in interstate commerce from a willing seller as fundamental. Fundamental liberties are in the highest category of liberty, akin to freedom of conscience and speech and press and privacy and travel. Let’s say you are at a big-box store looking for groceries and other items. The government cannot constitutionally limit your choices to food and paper towels if you prefer to buy grass seed and a garden hose. These are intimate personal decisions. You need not explain or justify them to the government and you don’t need a government permission slip to exercise your free will and make those choices. Until now. Now, we have become a nation of sheep. We have elected officials with constitutionally assigned duties — and constitutionally imposed limitations — who have assumed to themselves dictatorial powers and have falsely claimed that they can interfere with our personal choices. Who are the governors to decide which human activities are essential? Abortion is essential but Mass is not? No constitution gave them that power. There are two schools of thought on the impairment of fundamental liberties. One requires strict scrutiny and the other requires due process. The strict scrutiny standard mandates the existence of a compelling state interest addressed by the least restrictive means. The procedural due process standard mandates a trial at which the state must prove fault or guilt. The substantive due process standard puts certain personal decisions beyond governmental reach. Closing churches meets no constitutional standard. There is no question that fighting a pandemic is a compelling state interest, yet there are far less restrictive ways to address it than preventing worship. Wearing masks and gloves, staying 10 feet apart, holding Mass outdoors, even taking a personal risk and then self-quarantining are far less restrictive and constitutionally offensive than closing churches. New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio violated his oath to uphold the Constitution when he threatened to use force to close permanently all houses of worship that defied his guidelines. And a small-town police department in northern New Jersey exquisitely violated the constitutional rights of Catholics — while enforcing the ever-changing whims of Gov. Phil Murphy. The police claimed they were following the governor’s orders when they barred a priest on Palm Sunday from distributing palms in sealed plastic bags while he and each parishioner wore masks and gloves and were six feet apart in the fresh outdoors. Enough is enough. __________________ Don Kennedy 7701 SS

05-05-2020, 05:57 PM	#8
Tex013 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Sydney , Australia Posts: 97 Likes: 23 Liked 43 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Tracks opening this weekend Don , I will make this comment from far away . I get americans are mostly about freedom and such but calling people sheep and socialists is somewhat crude . There is no I in team , and sometimes you just have to do something for the greater good . Not just what is good for you . I am sure JFK had something to say about that . Maybe they , supporeters of restrictions , are just being pragmatic ? I may not be happy my business is suffering , but , when faced with a nasty disease that is a reasonable chance to kill me or mine if left unchecked I think I will go with restrictions . Here in Aus we tend to the pragmatic ,our government got ahead of the curve and gave detail of why and we seem to be coming out the other side in reasonably healthy state. No we are not racing either yet . Though if the boofhead footballers get their way to play I see no reason at that point to not be able to race , just in front of no crowds . Ooops don't get them at track championship level Tex