1.20 under at Belle Rose

[Greenlight]

The HP for 3 cars was hit at the No Problem race.

1 of the 3 is not mentioned in the 6 pages of comments, 1 is congratulated, and the other 5 1/2 pages focus on the 3rd car.

When the HP on that particular combination was increased from 268 to 272 in 2015, no comments were made on this forum regarding the person(s) responsible for affecting that HP increase.

Kent's car has always been quick and he works on it to make it quicker (as we all should do). He is by no means a "rich" guy who spends 10s of thousands of dollars to improve his combination. He had no idea the car was on that quick of a run and was just as unhappy as every other person with that combination that he "hit" the HP.

It's obvious (because his car was torn down and found legal) that anyone with that combination can run that quick. Spend more time working on your combination and less time complaining that other's did and reaped the benefits of hard work.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Greenlight

The HP for 3 cars was hit at the No Problem race.

1 of the 3 is not mentioned in the 6 pages of comments, 1 is congratulated, and the other 5 1/2 pages focus on the 3rd car.

When the HP on that particular combination was increased from 268 to 272 in 2015, no comments were made on this forum regarding the person(s) responsible for affecting that HP increase.

Kent's car has always been quick and he works on it to make it quicker (as we all should do). He is by no means a "rich" guy who spends 10s of thousands of dollars to improve his combination. He had no idea the car was on that quick of a run and was just as unhappy as every other person with that combination that he "hit" the HP.

It's obvious (because his car was torn down and found legal) that anyone with that combination can run that quick. Spend more time working on your combination and less time complaining that other's did and reaped the benefits of hard work.

Greenlight just about every time anyone has gone 1.20 under that I can remember there have been threads about it. 2015 we got hp due to a review and I was one the many that flagged the combo by hitting the 1 under mark that year and even though we all worked to get the average back down we were a little short. So kind of apples to oranges in this case and like was said I'm sure Mr LaPorte feels bad about it I've never met him but always heard nothing but good things. I've worked very hard on this combo too and can tell you it's not really fast anymore, only way it could go that fast is under these conditions from this past weekend. So another 9 hp pretty much puts it in the same league as the LT-1 now, in obscurity. I did congratulate him on his RU and will move on like everyone else but you'll have to excuse me for being a little bitter also at the moment and not really at him either but more at the system. Like I said those conditions were the only way this combos goes 1.20 under and there's nothing in place in the the current system to say hey this ain't right this combos not really that good but rather here's your 9 hp. The system is good enough to know two thirds of the field went 90 something under or better so their runs don't count but this one does. Just don't seem right to me.....

[GUMP]

I've always felt the trigger should be bumped to 1.3 under in "mineshaft" conditions. A lot of us have got caught by the 1.20 in air that is not the norm. I'm sure that it would make class eliminations more fun if everyone wasn't discouraged by the cost of lead......

[rboyle]

I think the system works. If guys want to go fast that's their decision. The weather blame is silly. We all have weather stations and data, if the weather looks crazy and the run feels real good then decide fast if you are lifting or run it out especially on a qualifying or class run. If it's heads up final at a National event and you hit the combo you'd be happy.

[HR9121]

I agree Daren with 1.30. If the weather blame is silly then why have the mineshaft rule at all. I mean the mineshaft rule is in place for unusual weather conditions to start with, so do away with that and let all runs count all the time and include Indy as well. If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.
You got a combo that goes 1.20 under at -800 DA and one that does it at Indy at 3500 DA, which one really needs the hp? To say the weather blame is silly is silly.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by HR9121

If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.

Now I can agree with you on that! A few posts back, you brought up the LT-1. Everyone was quick to "jump" on it when it was at 275 HP. Now at 358, it's not-so-good. Maybe the "problem" isn't the way that the AHFS is working but that everyone "jumped" on a good combo, beat it up for their own reasons, and waited too long to "jump" off. Your combo is/was the same, a soft combo that a bunch of smart Racers "jumped" on and now, not-so-good.
IMHO, the AHFS should be in effect for every run at every race no matter what the weather or the phase of the moon. Eighth mile numbers should be looked at too.
And just to make a good point, the Impala SS that kinda/sorta was responsible for getting your combo hit is an LT-1 that's arguably better than an F-body combo but at only 299 HP. So maybe this whole AHFS/ body factoring thing should be tightened up a bit too.

[countrypuppy4865]

In the words of Kenny Rogers

"You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em"

[Dan Fahey]

94/96 Impala SS/Caprice 350/260/299 HP LT1 uses a Vortec Iron Head.
1.94/1.50 Valves, Roller Lifters, 72cc Chamber and a F- Body cam at .447/.459 Lift.

94/96 Caprice run in J/SA at 3708 lbs, natural K car
Impala SS run K/SA at 4057 lbs
Natural L car at 4207 lbs
Weighted for M at 4356 lbs.

LT1 Aluminum Head engines are same with 58cc rated with more HP.

LT4 Aluminum Heads have 1.60/1.55 Valves with 1.6 Roller Rockers.
Seeing two cams one at .476/.479 lift and .525/.525 Lift (Hotcam)

Suspect the Hotcam LT4 is the one rated at 358 hp.
This would be the 1996 Corvette.
Aluminum LT4 Heads, matching LT4 Intake, Roller Lifters, 1.6 RR's.
All the important components of a Super Stock Engine.

FWIW Dart made a handful of LT1 Aluminum Blocks.

[rboyle]

Originally Posted by HR9121

I agree Daren with 1.30. If the weather blame is silly then why have the mineshaft rule at all. I mean the mineshaft rule is in place for unusual weather conditions to start with, so do away with that and let all runs count all the time and include Indy as well. If you want the AHFS to work there should be no free passes.
You got a combo that goes 1.20 under at -800 DA and one that does it at Indy at 3500 DA, which one really needs the hp? To say the weather blame is silly is silly.

I agree, there should be no mineshaft at all and no factored tracks.

[James Perrone]

If it was so easy to go 1 second under everyone would be doing it.
It ain’t easy. Unless you combo is soft like peanut butter.
Bob what combo did you go 1.40 under with?
Had to be pretty soft.