Just talkin' here #5

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

YOU should keep comments like these to yourself until you build your own car and get some skin in the game!
People who don't vote shouldn't talk politics. (but keep posting your Pontiac stuff)

[cmracing]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

Then what is the point of Stock Eliminator? You are asking for a Bracket Race with cars that need to be built to specific rules, but for what reason?

Are there to be a few races a year where there WILL be heads-up runs?

Plenty of people race Stock Eliminator for the challenge of building a legal car and trying to make it run quicker than others in the same class. Others just want to be part of the "show" at a National Event, Bracket Racers can't participate at those events, usually.............

[Adam Strang]

Originally Posted by oldskool

I'm an outsider, with no dog in the hunt.

I know this post will draw darts, arrows, grenades, & maybe even bombs.

BUT, after reading about how many of you guys gripe & complain when another car in your class gets any help from NHRA, it appears to me that the easiest solution, & what would be MOST fair for all racers, in any particular class, is to do away with heads-up runs, during eliminations.

For those with the quickest cars in a class, there could still be class run-offs at some races, for the classes which had enuff guys who wanted to run for a class win.

It has to be so disappointing, for a guy who has already spent more than he should have, just to get his car safely under his index, only to spend all the money to get to & enter a race, then get put out in a early round, by a same class car, that is quicker than him. It's great for the quicker car. He basically gets a bye & a free time trial. Don't even have to try for a real good light.

I know some will say this makes it more like bracket racing, and they've already done that. But heads-up racing favors the guys who have more money to spend. And these guys will always gripe when some NHRA action reduces their chance of an easy heads-up win.

So, as mentioned, if you guys REALLY want more Stock entries, doing away with heads-up runs during elims, MIGHT be one way to get some new entries. Brent Flynn always come to my mind. He was running bracket, but built a low budget stocker engine & ran it some. But at the larger div races he wouldn't have much of a chance in a heads-up run, since there are usually some quick cars in C/SA thru F/SA. But, IF there were no heads-up races during elims, Brent would have a good shot at a win, even if he had a round against a same class car.

I suppose this might be a deal where the "haves" are on one side & the "have nots" are on the other.

Again, I have no dog in the hunt. But, I'm interested in this discussion, among you guys who do.

I say f*** you to getting rid of heads up runs. Ok,so Brent and anyone else for that matter has worked hard on his stuff and it hasn't really gone any faster, so we should change the rules? I say no,maybe he needs to step up his game. My car was a slug when I started out and I kept plugging away at it, that's what Stock and Super Stock are all about. Like Billy said stop pounding away on the key board and build a car get out there and have some fun! Besides the faster car doesn't always win a heads up race.

[Neal Derochie]

JR Haddad, how about keeping your political comments to your self such as the end of post #21 don't care which side your on, this is not the site to start that crap.
Neal.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Adam Strang

I say f*** you to getting rid of heads up runs. ""........

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I second that nomination Adam Strang ......

[oldskool]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Hi Tim! Yup, they came with 230" and 250" sixes. My old Nova used a 230. Fun car.

Some Firebirds & A-bodies, including wagons, used the 250 six, during the 1st half of the '70's.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...px?ENGINE=2040

A local guy built a mid '60's Chevelle, with a six, back in '75. It was real quick, for a while, then either the nat record was bombed or he got a lot of hp. Anyhow, he never ran it after that, IIRC. I assume that the only reason he built the car, in the 1st place, was because it had a real soft index, or nat record. Can't remember now if we were running off records or index.

I remember seeing a screamin six run, in div 4. The guys name was Glen Self. The car's name was Stormin Six. It was a nat record holder. Never heard another six that sounded like that one.

[Terry Witzel]

Originally Posted by Tim Barrett

Hi Billy,,,question,did a 69 Camaro ever come with a 6 cylinder engine?? A friend said yes,I don't know.

I looked at a '69 Camaro back in the eighties that was all original with a 250 six. Also Stock racer Mike Warren used to race a white '69 convertible with a six cylinder.

[Hacksaw]

I saw a first gen Camaro with the 6 combo run within the last few years somewhere on the east coast. It may have been at an IHRA race.

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Terry Witzel

I looked at a '69 Camaro back in the eighties that was all original with a 250 six. Also Stock racer Mike Warren used to race a white '69 convertible with a six cylinder.

Mike Warren still races a '69 Camaro with a straight six. Mike is a regular at GLSSA association races.