Out of the loop in superstock....

[jamie2370]

Originally Posted by Kevin Panzino

Where in the rulebook does it state that a converter dump valve is illegal?

I'll answer that one, because it was answered to me. If the rulebook does not say you CAN do it, then you CAN'T.

[Joey Bohannon]

Lol....the word innovation is sure getting used a lot in place of cheating.

[Jeff Niceswanger]

Originally Posted by Joey Bohannon

Lol....the word innovation is sure getting used a lot in place of cheating.

And I don't like being called a minion ...LOL.
If you look at a 1970 rulebook, you won't find sections on vacuum pumps, delay boxes, nitrous oxide, digital recorders, tranny brakes and the long throw buttons, blinders. Even radial tires was a huge step forward. Do you think that every single person that came up with these items (and tons and tons more), were "cheating"? IMO they were just using the rules in place to further their advantage. Eventually, new rules were written to regulate most of them. But they didn't let it go YEARS before implementing new rules. That's the thing here, there's a lot of money laying on the table. Good Lord, you built one yourself right? There's more of these engines out there than anyone's thinking. From multiple engine builders. I've had phone calls from two racers that are in the same boat as the minions camp.

[Kevin Panzino]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

I'll answer that one, because it was answered to me. If the rulebook does not say you CAN do it, then you CAN'T.

So with that logic, and just keeping it related to the transmission: We all have to remove our straight-cut/different than OEM ratio gearsets, take out our roller bearings and go back to bushings, remove our low volume front pump and put a stock one back on, make sure we run the correct number of clutches and steels that the OEM trans had, remove the aluminum drums and put the cast iron OEM ones back in etc etc etc ?

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by Kevin Panzino

So with that logic, and just keeping it related to the transmission: We all have to remove our straight-cut/different than OEM ratio gearsets, take out our roller bearings and go back to bushings, remove our low volume front pump and put a stock one back on, make sure we run the correct number of clutches and steels that the OEM trans had, remove the aluminum drums and put the cast iron OEM ones back in etc etc etc ?

Mine has all of that stuff except the lower ratio first gear. One reason I am slow. LOL

[jamie2370]

Originally Posted by Kevin Panzino

So with that logic, and just keeping it related to the transmission: We all have to remove our straight-cut/different than OEM ratio gearsets, take out our roller bearings and go back to bushings, remove our low volume front pump and put a stock one back on, make sure we run the correct number of clutches and steels that the OEM trans had, remove the aluminum drums and put the cast iron OEM ones back in etc etc etc ?

No, because all those parts are replacement for original parts in the trans. A fluid dump valve is not and never has been a part of a transmission. Its new technology. As far as i know, only a th400 has been built right now with the technology. I could be wrong. It also mounts externally so it would be fairly easy to police.

[jamie2370]

I take that back, th400 and PG. I would love to have one in my stocker. Make the converter loose at the hit so it will 60' and then tighten it up down track to improve ET

[Terry Cain]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

I take that back, th400 and PG. I would love to have one in my stocker. Make the converter loose at the hit so it will 60' and then tighten it up down track to improve ET

People, are working on internal version as we type. AND the dump valve has been around for 70 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydramatic

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by jamie2370

A fluid dump valve is not and never has been a part of a transmission. Its new technology.

Ya know, I doubt that you'll find many Racers that are as hard-core as I am when it comes to interpreting the rule book. And I know that I haven't raced in SS since before most of you were born but I still have my SS number so I'm gonna guess that I can comment on this deal.
I've read the rule book on SS auto transmissions and I don't see why a "fluid dump" would be illegal. If you want to start splitting hairs then in reality a transbrake is a "fluid dump" and for that matter, so is an E-shift. NHRA seems much more concerned as to how you're releasing that transbrake then what you're doing with your pump pressure. Now if you are in some way manipulating your pump pressure to cause some kind of a "delay" in your transbrake release then I would think that you're doing something illegal.
Just my $.02.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Ya know, I doubt that you'll find many Racers that are as hard-core as I am when it comes to interpreting the rule book. And I know that I haven't raced in SS since before most of you were born but I still have my SS number so I'm gonna guess that I can comment on this deal.
I've read the rule book on SS auto transmissions and I don't see why a "fluid dump" would be illegal. If you want to start splitting hairs then in reality a transbrake is a "fluid dump" and for that matter, so is an E-shift. NHRA seems much more concerned as to how you're releasing that transbrake then what you're doing with your pump pressure. Now if you are in some way manipulating your pump pressure to cause some kind of a "delay" in your transbrake release then I would think that you're doing something illegal.
Just my $.02.

Back to the subject at hand...
Only two rules for S/S automatic transmissions.
(Maybe this is three)

1a,
Must be from the same parent company
1b,
Must bolt to to engine block without an adapter.

2, No centrifugal lock up converter ..i.e , the Griner / Coan unit from 40 years ago.

If some tech person told anyone that they couldn't the fluid path internally, then you probably should have never asked.