Mopar bogus intake removed

[Dr. AngieB]

Billy... I hope some time in the future we have the opportunity to sit and have a conversation about the old school Stock and Super Stock ways! I do miss those days as I have fond memories of many racers practically in tears after going .99 under. It definitely isn't the Stock/Super Stock I grew up with!

Sincerely,
Nostalgic 65 Valiant Driver

[Cotten]

Originally Posted by Dr. AngieB

Billy... I hope some time in the future we have the opportunity to sit and have a conversation about the old school Stock and Super Stock ways! I do miss those days as I have fond memories of many racers practically in tears after going .99 under. It definitely isn't the Stock/Super Stock I grew up with!

Sincerely,
Nostalgic 65 Valiant Driver

I've seen racers practically in tears after going 1.00 under very recently.

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

THAT is not true!
Come back and talk to me when ANY combo can use an aluminum head and I might see things a little differently.

5 OEM head #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

[Bill Grubbs]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

5 OEM head casting #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

325 hp
350 hp
375 hp

Different castings?

[Ralph A Powell]

Ford did build a 390 PI engine starting in 1963 I bought one it was equipped with the PI suspension package 5 leaf rear springs, big front sway bar, had shocks, and 11by 3 front brakes, and 11 by 21/2 rear brakes. Engine was 330 hp. It came with solid lifters, cast iron intake with a 4100 Autolite 4v and the shorty cast iron 406 exhaust manifolds. It was available in 63 and 64 may have been available in late 62 won't say for sure with out doing some digging. Mine had a T-85 3 speed overdrive but you could get a T-10 4 speed.


[QUOTE=Billy Nees;603527]

Originally Posted by Dr. AngieB

Young Lady (I can call you that, I have a daughter your age), I don't think that I would ever be accused of NOT working hard and NOT researching my combos and I wouldn't think the same of you and your Dad either. But hard work and research have absolutely NOTHING to do with the fact that someone manipulated factory data and specs and flat-out lied to get an aluminum intake approved for a combo that never had one. Even the HP D-Dart never had one. It used the iron intake modified to take a holley carb.
It seems to me that the "Mopar" guys think that I only pick on them and nothing could be further from the truth. There's plenty of blame to go around but the NHRA has to find the stomach to start "fixing" all of these blatant "mistakes".
FFFord never built a "Police Interceptor" 390 or 352. They modified a couple of Comets to pace the Indy 500 because the base car wasn't fast enough.
Chevy never put a 327/300 intake on a 283. That was a typo in NHRA's own tech specs. and I can't say whether it was intentional or not. But you can't even bolt a 4GC to it without using AFB and 4GC gaskets to keep it from leaking.
Mopar never put aluminum heads on anything but a HEMI (and a VERY few slant 6s). Somebody in the "corporation" just grabbed a handful of Edelbrock's money to slide them into the guide.
And HEMI's! I would love to see just what carb and intake really came on a 4V HEMI! Not to mention that they only came in hardtops with a flat hood.
427 FFFords aren't any better either.
And don't get me going on 396/375 Chevys!

The NHRA Tech Dept. is going to need more than a "new Sheriff in town". It's going to have to call out the National Guard!

[Grey Ghost]

Originally Posted by grey ghost

5 oem head #s listed for 396/375 and an available edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

1966/67 396/375

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

5 OEM head #s listed for 396/375 and an available Edelbrock repacement. How did that happen? Chrysler lobby for that?

Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this one!

[427FE]

[QUOTE=Ralph A Powell;603543]Ford did build a 390 PI engine starting in 1963 I bought one it was equipped with the PI suspension package 5 leaf rear springs, big front sway bar, had shocks, and 11by 3 front brakes, and 11 by 21/2 rear brakes. Engine was 330 hp. It came with solid lifters, cast iron intake with a 4100 Autolite 4v and the shorty cast iron 406 exhaust manifolds. It was available in 63 and 64 may have been available in late 62 won't say for sure with out doing some digging. Mine had a T-85 3 speed overdrive but you could get a T-10 4 speed.



don't forget a dual point as well

[Ralph A Powell]

[QUOTE=427FE;603547]

Originally Posted by Ralph A Powell

Ford did build a 390 PI engine starting in 1963 I bought one it was equipped with the PI suspension package 5 leaf rear springs, big front sway bar, had shocks, and 11by 3 front brakes, and 11 by 21/2 rear brakes. Engine was 330 hp. It came with solid lifters, cast iron intake with a 4100 Autolite 4v and the shorty cast iron 406 exhaust manifolds. It was available in 63 and 64 may have been available in late 62 won't say for sure with out doing some digging. Mine had a T-85 3 speed overdrive but you could get a T-10 4 speed.



don't forget a dual point as well

Mine came with single point vacuum adv.
406 cam dual point dist 427 valve springs and aluminum low rise intake with 715 Holley and 4.71 gear and the Mopar 426 street engine cars and early GTO's didn't stand a chance.

[Grey Ghost]

[QUOTE=Billy Nees;603545]Hey Phil, the 396/375 by your own admission CAME with an aluminum head! Show me an OEM head # for ANY 383/413/426W/440. Show me ANY other small block combo with an aluminum "replacement" head listed other than a smallblock Mopar. Since when are OEM # 273/318 heads rare?
I wouldn't even have as much of a problem with them IF NHRA had kept their word on allowing aluminum replacement heads on the Mopars with a 10 HP penalty! But apparently when it comes to Mopars the aluminum head is considered a different combo and is "entitled" to it's own HP factor. I'm calling B.S. on this

Edelbrock also has approved aluminum heads for AMC, Ford, Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, and Chevrolet replacing iron heads...some are S/S only. There were also plenty of original Chevrolet heads made...aluminium and iron...Chevrolet car sales out paced Chrysler and other manufacturers most every year. You couldn't swing a dead cat around without hitting a big block Camero/Chevelle 40-50 yrs ago.

If the Chryslers shouldn't be allowed to replace iron heads with aluminum than no one else should either. I do not know why NHRA factors as they do. You need to take it up with them.

Wish they made a suitable aluminum replacement for the max wedge!

I need to get back to work in the shop...need the money to pay for the 3 sets aluminum heads I bought for my 65 Coronet 2dr post single 4 barrel hemi project.

Wishing you a great Christmas Billy!