NHRA LODRS Payout Info?

jkblade · 02-25-2019, 11:38 PM

Any idea where I might find this info? I've looked all over both NHRA sites and can't seem to find anything.

Thanks!

FED 387 · 02-25-2019, 11:45 PM

The payout is so embarrassing NHRA doesn't let the information out(lol)

jmcarter · 02-26-2019, 06:48 AM

Varies by Division, here’s D2, which is typical...

http://www.nhradiv2.com/content/gene...241&zoneid=161

jkblade · 02-26-2019, 10:30 AM

Thanks JM, that's exactly what I've been looking for!

novassdude · 02-26-2019, 10:31 AM

Just curios on the example they show they list 128 car fields, do they prorate them for anything less than 128 car fields?

Andy Friar · 02-26-2019, 03:02 PM

In checking out the D2 payout based on 128 cars fields, if I read it correctly the top payouts are for the Alcohol classes, then SS, then Stock. Above Top Sportsman, Top Dragster & Comp. Are the payouts huge in comparison to the cost to participate, absolutely not. Can more than .25% of the racing community make a living off racing, no. But how many people got started in this hobby for the money you might win? No one that I go to the races with or that I know have drag cars is in it to for purse amount. I can appreciate and agree with many points I have seen over the years that the racers say the NHRA doesn't care about sportsman, or what is the well paid president doing to grow the sport, or what are the other well paid staff doing, or that the small purses compared to car and race operation costs feel disrespectful at times, etc.

For NHRA and it's employees it is a business and their jobs, right? We as their customers continue to pay annual memberships and show up at the races to compete, pay the increasing fees, for less qualifying attempts or TT runs, for the lower purses. Didn’t the US nationals have 170 stockers try to make the field? Are the total number of class cars down now from 20 years ago, I think so, but don't fully know. The classes we all like don't get new fans in the seats for the most part, unfortunately. Other than Norwalk, is there a points meet that has 1000 or more paying (non-racer family member/friend) spectators in attendance?

Could the NHRA do more to promote the sportsman levels, yes, but what is also the ROI for that effort? I don't know. In this day and age there is SO much to do that I don't necessary blame casual fans for not being into Stockers or other class cars. Wheelstanding stick shift cars are super cool to me, but normal people may not agree. I mean throttle stop cars are not exciting to watch if you are not a 'bleeds oil' motorhead, and my Dad raced Super Comp for 10+ years. As long as we as racers continue to pay to enter Nationals and Divisionals, what is the motivation for NHRA to change their view of sportsman racers for a less than 5 year financial growth reason? Long term sportsman level are the future and all classes have gotten really expensive, no one would disagree there.

I race because I love to race. I am blessed and fortunate to be able to race a limited schedule with zero expectation of winning $ back. The sport won't last in the future if everyone is like that, but I do try to do my part to get people I know with kids to come to the races as my guest to keep the racing alive for the next generation. I am open to and willing to support discussions to get NHRA to change their purses and/or creating new sanctioning bodies like the GLSSSA, but I don’t have the millions or desire to directly compete against NHRA either.

Rich Biebel · 02-26-2019, 03:44 PM

Div 1 is $1500 to win and $600 I think for R/up...…..32 cars for full payout usually. Not many events without a good turnout......

Round $ starts rd 3 at $100 and goes up $50 each round. Semi's just get rd $ ….That's a round that really hurts to lose......and should pay better but it is what it is...…...

Some Open races are/were $2000 to win thanks to Gary Richard and P.C. Richard's a great supporter of Sportsman racers and he races numerous cars....A big thanks to him for that support....

If your not going to win, might as well lose rd 1 and save gas, and laps on your car.....LOL...…

That's an old saying we made up years ago....its truer today than ever.....

Jeff Jewell · 02-26-2019, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

Some Open races are/were $2000 to win thanks to Gary Richard and P.C. Richard's a great supporter of Sportsman racers and he races numerous cars....A big thanks to him for that support....

Best deal in Division 1 is the Dutch Classic. Paid a total of $3250.00 to win SS in 2017. Big thanks to Maple Grove, Division 1, P.C. Richards, Gold Rush Trailers, and ATI for that one!

CMcAllister · 02-26-2019, 05:47 PM

For some folks, racing really is a hobby, and they would do it if the rewards were nothing but a trophy. For others, the potential for some kind of ROI, if their performance warrants it, matters. For purses to have remained nearly the same (or reduced) over the last 20 years, while every expense and commitment has drastically gone up, is pathetic. BUT I understand, the options are accept it for what it is or quit.

As far as the info is concerned, payouts and purses used to be published in the Dragster, along with other useful information. Now it's an ordeal to find it. Every bracket race on the planet has those details easily available. I was having a conversation very recently about Pro Stock purses and round money. I'm pretty handy with Google, but was unable to find that information for any of the Pro classes. NHRA used to brag about the $1,000,000+ purse for the upcoming XYZ Nationals - now they treat that information like it's a state secret. Why?

Dave Muller · 02-26-2019, 06:59 PM

As far as the idea that the payouts don't matter much because we don't race for the money...

There's some truth to that, but many of us have limited budgets. Decent payouts can be the difference between being able to run just a few races per year vs. most or all of the division schedule. And for some it can mean the difference between racing and not racing.

Just because we're not trying to make a profit doesn't mean the payout doesn't matter.

02-25-2019, 11:38 PM	#1
jkblade Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jamestown, KY Posts: 52 Likes: 3 Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts	NHRA LODRS Payout Info? Any idea where I might find this info? I've looked all over both NHRA sites and can't seem to find anything. Thanks!

02-25-2019, 11:45 PM	#2
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,417 Likes: 522 Liked 331 Times in 179 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? The payout is so embarrassing NHRA doesn't let the information out(lol)

02-26-2019, 06:48 AM	#3
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,295 Likes: 2,374 Liked 3,174 Times in 971 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? Varies by Division, here’s D2, which is typical... http://www.nhradiv2.com/content/gene...241&zoneid=161 __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

02-26-2019, 10:30 AM	#4
jkblade Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Jamestown, KY Posts: 52 Likes: 3 Liked 8 Times in 6 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? Thanks JM, that's exactly what I've been looking for!

02-26-2019, 10:31 AM	#5
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 752 Likes: 204 Liked 136 Times in 49 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? Just curios on the example they show they list 128 car fields, do they prorate them for anything less than 128 car fields?

02-26-2019, 03:02 PM	#6
Andy Friar Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Howell, MI Posts: 250 Likes: 699 Liked 226 Times in 76 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? In checking out the D2 payout based on 128 cars fields, if I read it correctly the top payouts are for the Alcohol classes, then SS, then Stock. Above Top Sportsman, Top Dragster & Comp. Are the payouts huge in comparison to the cost to participate, absolutely not. Can more than .25% of the racing community make a living off racing, no. But how many people got started in this hobby for the money you might win? No one that I go to the races with or that I know have drag cars is in it to for purse amount. I can appreciate and agree with many points I have seen over the years that the racers say the NHRA doesn't care about sportsman, or what is the well paid president doing to grow the sport, or what are the other well paid staff doing, or that the small purses compared to car and race operation costs feel disrespectful at times, etc. For NHRA and it's employees it is a business and their jobs, right? We as their customers continue to pay annual memberships and show up at the races to compete, pay the increasing fees, for less qualifying attempts or TT runs, for the lower purses. Didn’t the US nationals have 170 stockers try to make the field? Are the total number of class cars down now from 20 years ago, I think so, but don't fully know. The classes we all like don't get new fans in the seats for the most part, unfortunately. Other than Norwalk, is there a points meet that has 1000 or more paying (non-racer family member/friend) spectators in attendance? Could the NHRA do more to promote the sportsman levels, yes, but what is also the ROI for that effort? I don't know. In this day and age there is SO much to do that I don't necessary blame casual fans for not being into Stockers or other class cars. Wheelstanding stick shift cars are super cool to me, but normal people may not agree. I mean throttle stop cars are not exciting to watch if you are not a 'bleeds oil' motorhead, and my Dad raced Super Comp for 10+ years. As long as we as racers continue to pay to enter Nationals and Divisionals, what is the motivation for NHRA to change their view of sportsman racers for a less than 5 year financial growth reason? Long term sportsman level are the future and all classes have gotten really expensive, no one would disagree there. I race because I love to race. I am blessed and fortunate to be able to race a limited schedule with zero expectation of winning $ back. The sport won't last in the future if everyone is like that, but I do try to do my part to get people I know with kids to come to the races as my guest to keep the racing alive for the next generation. I am open to and willing to support discussions to get NHRA to change their purses and/or creating new sanctioning bodies like the GLSSSA, but I don’t have the millions or desire to directly compete against NHRA either. __________________ Andy Friar

02-26-2019, 03:44 PM	#7
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? Div 1 is $1500 to win and $600 I think for R/up...…..32 cars for full payout usually. Not many events without a good turnout...... Round $ starts rd 3 at $100 and goes up $50 each round. Semi's just get rd $ ….That's a round that really hurts to lose......and should pay better but it is what it is...…... Some Open races are/were $2000 to win thanks to Gary Richard and P.C. Richard's a great supporter of Sportsman racers and he races numerous cars....A big thanks to him for that support.... If your not going to win, might as well lose rd 1 and save gas, and laps on your car.....LOL...… That's an old saying we made up years ago....its truer today than ever..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 02-26-2019 at 03:50 PM.

02-26-2019, 05:47 PM	#9
CMcAllister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Fulton County, PA Posts: 614 Likes: 16 Liked 920 Times in 259 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? For some folks, racing really is a hobby, and they would do it if the rewards were nothing but a trophy. For others, the potential for some kind of ROI, if their performance warrants it, matters. For purses to have remained nearly the same (or reduced) over the last 20 years, while every expense and commitment has drastically gone up, is pathetic. BUT I understand, the options are accept it for what it is or quit. As far as the info is concerned, payouts and purses used to be published in the Dragster, along with other useful information. Now it's an ordeal to find it. Every bracket race on the planet has those details easily available. I was having a conversation very recently about Pro Stock purses and round money. I'm pretty handy with Google, but was unable to find that information for any of the Pro classes. NHRA used to brag about the $1,000,000+ purse for the upcoming XYZ Nationals - now they treat that information like it's a state secret. Why?

02-26-2019, 06:59 PM	#10
Dave Muller Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 497 Likes: 162 Liked 223 Times in 73 Posts	Re: NHRA LODRS Payout Info? As far as the idea that the payouts don't matter much because we don't race for the money... There's some truth to that, but many of us have limited budgets. Decent payouts can be the difference between being able to run just a few races per year vs. most or all of the division schedule. And for some it can mean the difference between racing and not racing. Just because we're not trying to make a profit doesn't mean the payout doesn't matter.