When P/S was interesting.

Mike Jones · 10-13-2018, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jmcarter

Reaching back a little further Cuda, Dart, Hornet, Gremlin, Challenger, Maverick (including a “taxi”), etc. Point being innovative ways to get the job done and drivers that could tell you exactly what the car did and what it needs...no computers. The Golden Age to be sure.

LOL... and some how, Tech inspectors sorted it all out...and I recall one combo had to add weight, but don`t remember which one.
Mike

JHeath · 10-13-2018, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Jones

LOL... and some how, Tech inspectors sorted it all out...and I recall one combo had to add weight, but don`t remember which one.
Mike

The combo that had weight added usually had Bob Glidden on the doors !

Bob Don · 10-13-2018, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JHeath

The combo that had weight added usually had Bob Glidden on the doors !

That's when Glidden got mad and showed up in a Plymouth Arrow.

Rich Biebel · 10-13-2018, 06:48 PM

The Hemi was the first engine to be penalized with weight.

Mopar basically pulled their cars from Pro Stock because of it for a while.

Big Block cars were the basis for Pro Stock....

A/MP cars that match raced and they set some basic rules at the beginning.

Jenkins dreamed up the Vega small block combo and pretty much started the various small block, light weight cars overtaking the Big block cars.

Engine mods got out of hand and radical head modifications by everyone got out of hand.....

Weight to cube was used but with wheelbase lengths added to the mix.

Bob Glidden could make pretty much any combination he touched out run everyone else but R-M was a close second once they dreamed up the small cube BB combo........I saw some heads done in that era for those engines.....Both Big and small block......Iron and aluminum....

500 cube engines was an attempt to level the playing field.....It did.

Various people were accused of cheating using NOS......and oxygenated fuel was also being used.

I saw heads from that era......and also some of them being used in Competition eliminator engines......

Welding and modifying cast iron heads got real creative.....and even blocks....

It was far more interesting than today and that is no doubt....

Mike Jones · 10-13-2018, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Biebel

The Hemi was the first engine to be penalized with weight.

Mopar basically pulled their cars from Pro Stock because of it for a while.

Big Block cars were the basis for Pro Stock....

A/MP cars that match raced and they set some basic rules at the beginning.

Jenkins dreamed up the Vega small block combo and pretty much started the various small block, light weight cars overtaking the Big block cars.

Engine mods got out of hand and radical head modifications by everyone got out of hand.....

Weight to cube was used but with wheelbase lengths added to the mix.

Bob Glidden could make pretty much any combination he touched out run everyone else but R-M was a close second once they dreamed up the small cube BB combo........I saw some heads done in that era for those engines.....Both Big and small block......Iron and aluminum....

500 cube engines was an attempt to level the playing field.....It did.

Various people were accused of cheating using NOS......and oxygenated fuel was also being used.

I saw heads from that era......and also some of them being used in Competition eliminator engines......

Welding and modifying cast iron heads got real creative.....and even blocks....

It was far more interesting than today and that is no doubt....

Thanks for the refresher, Rich
It was a glorious time..
No such thing as aftermarket heads
Some things don`t change for Mopars, I guess...
I remember a Comp guy had a trailer explosion, that was supposed to be caused by a fuel "additive" (I think it was called Propalene oxide) and a Pro Stock team had a similar incident in the pits (but with Nitrous oxide), that resulted in a suspension.
Mike

Fireofficer5 · 10-15-2018, 11:28 AM

The canted valve Ford Cleveland head had a 1/2 lb. per cubic inch penalty in Comp. Modified and Pro Stock.

Fireofficer5 · 10-15-2018, 11:30 AM

oops

GTS340 · 10-15-2018, 11:58 AM

I was at the last Molson GrandNationals in Montreal. What a crazy place it was to race at. Same race Shirley went over the guard rail.Bob Glidden had his Ford Fairmont there. Not one piece of sheet metal lined up right. The saying on the back was "She ain't pretty but she sure can cook". He was right there. I would watch Grumpy start the Vega up I think it was. While idling he would put his finger on the carburetor vents. Shake his head and pull the carburetors back off and into the trailer they went. They would do big burn outs and numerous dry hops. Pull the wheels off the ground on every shift and they were the same car you owned or could buy.
It was my favorite class. Plenty of personality to go around.

Paul

Ralph A Powell · 10-27-2018, 06:08 PM

Not correct Comp and Modified had .20 of a pound added in May of 1978 not 1/2 pound.

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Originally Posted by Fireofficer5

The canted valve Ford Cleveland head had a 1/2 lb. per cubic inch penalty in Comp. Modified and Pro Stock.

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Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,320 Likes: 25 Liked 557 Times in 217 Posts	Re: When P/S was interesting. The Hemi was the first engine to be penalized with weight. Mopar basically pulled their cars from Pro Stock because of it for a while. Big Block cars were the basis for Pro Stock.... A/MP cars that match raced and they set some basic rules at the beginning. Jenkins dreamed up the Vega small block combo and pretty much started the various small block, light weight cars overtaking the Big block cars. Engine mods got out of hand and radical head modifications by everyone got out of hand..... Weight to cube was used but with wheelbase lengths added to the mix. Bob Glidden could make pretty much any combination he touched out run everyone else but R-M was a close second once they dreamed up the small cube BB combo........I saw some heads done in that era for those engines.....Both Big and small block......Iron and aluminum.... 500 cube engines was an attempt to level the playing field.....It did. Various people were accused of cheating using NOS......and oxygenated fuel was also being used. I saw heads from that era......and also some of them being used in Competition eliminator engines...... Welding and modifying cast iron heads got real creative.....and even blocks.... It was far more interesting than today and that is no doubt.... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 10-13-2018 at 06:51 PM.

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GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 876 Likes: 283 Liked 1,354 Times in 413 Posts	Re: When P/S was interesting. I was at the last Molson GrandNationals in Montreal. What a crazy place it was to race at. Same race Shirley went over the guard rail.Bob Glidden had his Ford Fairmont there. Not one piece of sheet metal lined up right. The saying on the back was "She ain't pretty but she sure can cook". He was right there. I would watch Grumpy start the Vega up I think it was. While idling he would put his finger on the carburetor vents. Shake his head and pull the carburetors back off and into the trailer they went. They would do big burn outs and numerous dry hops. Pull the wheels off the ground on every shift and they were the same car you owned or could buy. It was my favorite class. Plenty of personality to go around. Paul