Sad that this is happening

Randall Klein · 10-09-2018, 10:46 AM

What I find encouraging is that Drew Skillman finds "value" in staying involved esp with S/SS, after being at the supposed "pinnacle"

Butner, Jeg, have roots in S/SS and with FS growing it seems to me as if our universe is expanding which can't hurt.

To me....as classes get away from wheelstands, be it COMP, HEMI SHOOTOUT CARS, Pro Stock etc.....the repeated sameness looses fan appeal

Someone somewhere posed the concept of no wheelie bars.....hmmmmm

10-09-2018, 12:35 PM

Cannot forget that the trickle down affect of PRO STOCK ENGINE DEVELOPMENT is found in all the new FS cars as well as Comp, Superstock, Stock and every other class. I for one do not want to see that go anywhere. So they loose some names in PS..... Not the end of the class and hate to see the talent leave but hopefully they can be replaced.

Mike Jones · 10-09-2018, 01:45 PM

"Enders said last week that her Elite Motorsports team isn’t going anywhere: “As far as I know, myself, Jeg Coughlin, Vincent Nobile, Alex Laughlin . . . our team will remain intact. Richard [team owner Freeman] will be a fifth car at times. Matt Hartford, I’m not sure of his plans, but I would assume that he will continue to run off of us. We’re doing our part. We’re trying our best to make it happen. I wish Drew wasn’t leaving. I hope that Bo’s not leaving. But we’ll just have to see what happens in the silly season."

In Top Fuel @ St. Louis: 5 MLR cars and 6 DSR cars for 16 spots.
A Pro Stock team with 4 or 5 cars...
Hard to compete against that much of everything.
Mike A114

1legjerry · 10-09-2018, 04:24 PM

I still think the FS motors in Stock body but with a pro stock chassis is the way to go. Do away with the aero bodies and use factory built NHRA sealed motors. They could start by transitioning into the motors first for a year or two while they develop the chassis for the stock body.

340 Six Pack · 10-09-2018, 04:37 PM

"The average 60 year old vividly remembers the beginning years of Pro Stock..."

I am that guy, and I do! The only thing resembling that excitement, interest, and energy in today's racing is FS.

joespanova · 10-10-2018, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 340 Six Pack

"The average 60 year old vividly remembers the beginning years of Pro Stock..."

I am that guy, and I do! The only thing resembling that excitement, interest, and energy in today's racing is FS.

Exactly , and make that FS/XX. I had a thread on this a couple weeks ago.......
I USED to be , a big Pro Stock fan.......................not any more. Not when it became the "all Camaro" show.
More than that , it "mirrors" the fuel teams in the respect that no longer is the driver the engine builder , tuner.
That , to me , is a turnoff.

CMcAllister · 10-09-2018, 04:45 PM

It is sad. I've always liked Pro Stock and considered it the top of the food chain for NA, gasoline engines. The GM vs Ford vs. Mopar days were great.

The cost of the technology, hardware, people and organization to do it, and be competitive, has gone way beyond what most can spend. And the ROI for sponsoring teams, when the class gets little airtime and is treated like a step-child by NHRA, makes it look like a charity case instead of smart business.

It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle once it gets to this point. I don't know the answer, but I hope they figure out how to keep it viable and interesting.

jmcarter · 10-09-2018, 05:05 PM

Think nhramni nailed it. At 69 I fondly recall the beginning and watching first hand how hard WJ, Grumpy, Buddy Martin, Glidden etc shaped the class that was based on hard work more than $$$. Didn’t even mind the NHRA meddling (thought the four door Maverick was kinda cool but then one of my all time favorites is a 62 Dodge so that gives my perspective). The current Pro Stock Camaro Class is hard to watch, wouldn’t mind one bit seeing Jason Line, Bo and others concentrate on classes that we enjoy.

George Fitzpatrick · 10-09-2018, 05:29 PM

when PS was great. I'm older but I remember PS match race. I would travel many miles to see them, Sox, grumpy, dyno don, Landy, ETC. The old days are gone and they not coming back. Will they incorporate pro mod?

nickh · 10-09-2018, 08:47 PM

Jim you remember the Chrysler imperial pro stock my crs is kicking in on his name

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Originally Posted by jmcarter

Think nhramni nailed it. At 69 I fondly recall the beginning and watching first hand how hard WJ, Grumpy, Buddy Martin, Glidden etc shaped the class that was based on hard work more than $$$. Didn’t even mind the NHRA meddling (thought the four door Maverick was kinda cool but then one of my all time favorites is a 62 Dodge so that gives my perspective). The current Pro Stock Camaro Class is hard to watch, wouldn’t mind one bit seeing Jason Line, Bo and others concentrate on classes that we enjoy.

10-09-2018, 10:46 AM	#1
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening What I find encouraging is that Drew Skillman finds "value" in staying involved esp with S/SS, after being at the supposed "pinnacle" Butner, Jeg, have roots in S/SS and with FS growing it seems to me as if our universe is expanding which can't hurt. To me....as classes get away from wheelstands, be it COMP, HEMI SHOOTOUT CARS, Pro Stock etc.....the repeated sameness looses fan appeal Someone somewhere posed the concept of no wheelie bars.....hmmmmm

10-09-2018, 12:35 PM	#2
Barry Polley Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Sad that this is happening Cannot forget that the trickle down affect of PRO STOCK ENGINE DEVELOPMENT is found in all the new FS cars as well as Comp, Superstock, Stock and every other class. I for one do not want to see that go anywhere. So they loose some names in PS..... Not the end of the class and hate to see the talent leave but hopefully they can be replaced.

10-09-2018, 01:45 PM	#3
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,125 Likes: 1,179 Liked 684 Times in 289 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening "Enders said last week that her Elite Motorsports team isn’t going anywhere: “As far as I know, myself, Jeg Coughlin, Vincent Nobile, Alex Laughlin . . . our team will remain intact. Richard [team owner Freeman] will be a fifth car at times. Matt Hartford, I’m not sure of his plans, but I would assume that he will continue to run off of us. We’re doing our part. We’re trying our best to make it happen. I wish Drew wasn’t leaving. I hope that Bo’s not leaving. But we’ll just have to see what happens in the silly season." In Top Fuel @ St. Louis: 5 MLR cars and 6 DSR cars for 16 spots. A Pro Stock team with 4 or 5 cars... Hard to compete against that much of everything. Mike A114

10-09-2018, 04:24 PM	#4
1legjerry Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 85 Likes: 4 Liked 72 Times in 15 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening I still think the FS motors in Stock body but with a pro stock chassis is the way to go. Do away with the aero bodies and use factory built NHRA sealed motors. They could start by transitioning into the motors first for a year or two while they develop the chassis for the stock body.

10-09-2018, 04:37 PM	#5
340 Six Pack Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 29 Likes: 3 Liked 5 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening "The average 60 year old vividly remembers the beginning years of Pro Stock..." I am that guy, and I do! The only thing resembling that excitement, interest, and energy in today's racing is FS.

10-09-2018, 04:45 PM	#7
CMcAllister Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Fulton County, PA Posts: 614 Likes: 16 Liked 920 Times in 259 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening It is sad. I've always liked Pro Stock and considered it the top of the food chain for NA, gasoline engines. The GM vs Ford vs. Mopar days were great. The cost of the technology, hardware, people and organization to do it, and be competitive, has gone way beyond what most can spend. And the ROI for sponsoring teams, when the class gets little airtime and is treated like a step-child by NHRA, makes it look like a charity case instead of smart business. It's hard to put the genie back in the bottle once it gets to this point. I don't know the answer, but I hope they figure out how to keep it viable and interesting.

10-09-2018, 05:05 PM	#8
jmcarter VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Richmond Hill GA (and Port Ludlow WA) Posts: 4,296 Likes: 2,383 Liked 3,179 Times in 972 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening Think nhramni nailed it. At 69 I fondly recall the beginning and watching first hand how hard WJ, Grumpy, Buddy Martin, Glidden etc shaped the class that was based on hard work more than $$$. Didn’t even mind the NHRA meddling (thought the four door Maverick was kinda cool but then one of my all time favorites is a 62 Dodge so that gives my perspective). The current Pro Stock Camaro Class is hard to watch, wouldn’t mind one bit seeing Jason Line, Bo and others concentrate on classes that we enjoy. __________________ Jim Carter 2340 Super Stock 2340 SST/2340 Stock Set another place at the table

10-09-2018, 05:29 PM	#9
George Fitzpatrick Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: West Babylon, NY Posts: 344 Likes: 118 Liked 94 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Sad that this is happening when PS was great. I'm older but I remember PS match race. I would travel many miles to see them, Sox, grumpy, dyno don, Landy, ETC. The old days are gone and they not coming back. Will they incorporate pro mod? Attached Thumbnails __________________ George Fitzpatrick 426 HEMI STK, SS