Adding a Pontiac to the Guide?

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by countrypuppy4865

Good luck! Doubt they would have any interest in adding an older car. The only thing the manufacturers are looking for are new copos, drag paks, and cobra jets and maybe a new street version here and there.

Really? They just added a 1969 Trans AM and a 1983 Z28 to the Guide for no other reason than they could.

[jimmyparker]

If I am looking at the classification guide right the '08 high HP version is a G, H, and I car. How fast has these cars run in showroom stock condition? These are some pretty tough classes for an unproven combo to jump in.

[Alan Nyhus]

Originally Posted by jimmyparker

If I am looking at the classification guide right the '08 high HP version is a G, H, and I car. How fast has these cars run in showroom stock condition? These are some pretty tough classes for an unproven combo to jump in.

Jimmy, here's some stuff I found on an unmodified HP version :


1/4 Mile ET: 14.013
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.830
1/8 Mile ET: 9.014
1/8 Mile MPH: 76.780
0-60 Foot ET: 2.075

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus

Jimmy, here's some stuff I found on an unmodified HP version :


1/4 Mile ET: 14.013
1/4 Mile MPH: 97.830
1/8 Mile ET: 9.014
1/8 Mile MPH: 76.780
0-60 Foot ET: 2.075

Would that be with about 4 lbs. boost? ;-) ;-)

[ss3011]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Really? They just added a 1969 Trans AM and a 1983 Z28 to the Guide for no other reason than they could.

That's cool , wondering if a GM rep had anything to do with that .

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by ss3011

That's cool , wondering if a GM rep had anything to do with that .

The power train info had already been submitted by the manufacturers. Tech simply had to verify trim. And in the case of the Trans Am, Delorean wanted the Trans Am to be considered a separate combination. At the time he was really hung up about competing with European cars.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by ss3011

That's cool , wondering if a GM rep had anything to do with that .

There was an unwritten policy that for a combination to have a separate line in the class guide, there must be a separate model identified by the manufacturer or the shipping weight with the options for the combination must be 50 lbs or more than the shipping weight of the model it started was added to. All that information was based on specifications submitted to the NHRA by the manufacturer to the AMA (Automobile Manufacturers Association) or the MVMA (Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Association) in later years. Since the 1969 AMA specs for a Firebird does not even list a Trans Am as an option over the Firebird 400 or the Ram Air IV or any added equipment specified for a Trans Am, that is likely why the Trans Am has not been a line item for all these years. The info in the class guide is likely just made up to please somebody.

1969 Firebird AMA Specs

In the case of the 1983 Z28, it was not considered a separate model by Chevrolet but merely an option for existing models. And, when you add up all the extra weights of the components for the Z28 package, spoiler (4.4 lbs), mirrors (2.6 lbs) and Z28 Special Performance Package (19.8 lbs), the total is less than 50 lbs to be added to a Berlinetta. So it would not have be considered a separate line item. Again, the line item was added ot the class guide because some people pitched a fit about it.

1983 Camaro MVMA Specs

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

There was an unwritten policy that for a combination to have a separate line in the class guide, there must be a separate model identified by the manufacturer or the shipping weight with the options for the combination must be 50 lbs or more than the shipping weight of the model it started was added to. All that information was based on specifications submitted to the NHRA by the manufacturer to the AMA (Automobile Manufacturers Association) or the MVMA (Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Association) in later years. Since the 1969 AMA specs for a Firebird does not even list a Trans Am as an option over the Firebird 400 or the Ram Air IV or any added equipment specified for a Trans Am, that is likely why the Trans Am has not been a line item for all these years. The info in the class guide is likely just made up to please somebody.

1969 Firebird AMA Specs

In the case of the 1983 Z28, it was not considered a separate model by Chevrolet but merely an option for existing models. And, when you add up all the extra weights of the components for the Z28 package, spoiler (4.4 lbs), mirrors (2.6 lbs) and Z28 Special Performance Package (19.8 lbs), the total is less than 50 lbs to be added to a Berlinetta. So it would not have be considered a separate line item. Again, the line item was added ot the class guide because some people pitched a fit about it.

1983 Camaro MVMA Specs

Thank you, you proved my point. The 1969 Trans Am is distinctly different than the Firebird.

[Lynn A McCarty]

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[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Really? They just added a 1969 Trans AM and a 1983 Z28 to the Guide for no other reason than they could.

Dwight, I contacted NHRA and pointed out that in 1969 the TAs were an option and not a separate car. They quickly responded that it makes a legal combination. My 69 TA car that was built by Alf Weibe was my reason. Unfortunately, I couldn't get the Edelbrock heads approved, so running against all the combos with them soured the deal. Truman and I redid the hp numbers, but by then lost interest. A RAIV 69 TA stocker would be cool, but Casey says a 10.5 RAV NMCA car heads up would be cooler. 😀 It takes everything I can muster to keep the black car going, the Sunbird is moving very slowly, but close, the 69TA 80% done but just sitting there. I have $23,000 in it with much left to go.