Stocker build - Page 2

oldskool · 12-06-2017, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Shaw

I was thinkin the 265 hp engine.

According to the Class Racer Info site, the 2 engines have different heads.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac

The 265hp engine is allowed 90cc heads. The 290hp engine is allowed 68cc heads. That's a lot of compression difference. Also, the 290hp engine is allowed a cam with more intake lift. Not sure how much power difference those 2 items would make. Would the difference be 25hp ?

Anybody have an educated guess ?

oldskool · 12-06-2017, 01:32 PM

"...So, lets say he builds the car. What are the chances he could get the hp factor reduced to a reasonable number, and aprox how long would that process take ?..."

Would he have to run several div races ? Would he have to know somebody with pull, in the racing world or NHRA ? What exactly is involved in getting the hp factor reduced ?

So, any real world experiences that answer any or all these questions ?

Bob Shaw · 12-06-2017, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool

According to the Class Racer Info site, the 2 engines have different heads.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac

The 265hp engine is allowed 90cc heads. The 290hp engine is allowed 68cc heads. That's a lot of compression difference. Also, the 290hp engine is allowed a cam with more intake lift. Not sure how much power difference those 2 items would make. Would the difference be 25hp ?

Anybody have an educated guess ?

The natural classes would be O/SA and Q/SA. That's .60 difference in the index. I don't think the 290 engine would be that much faster. You could always change heads and see how much difference that makes. The cam wouldn't make much difference.

oldskool · 12-08-2017, 09:02 PM

Yeah, that makes good sense to me. May as well also strap on a Q-jet & see if it looks more competitive, than either 2-barrel engine. The Q-jet engines just seem to be more competitive, in most combos, unless you can get the hp factor lowered enuff.

I just can't think of a single competitive 2-barrel Pontiac Stocker, right now. Lots of competitive Q-jet combos.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...1&MAKE=Pontiac

JoeCool108 · 04-06-2018, 11:52 PM

Well if I decide to do the wagon based of the Class racer site, it fits Q/SA with the 2 barrel at 17.05 which is at the top of the class.. so thats a good thing right?
So where should I start? I guess a rule book to see what I can and cant do would be a good place to start.. any reccomendations on transmissions, gears, rear ends...etc?? Tire size? ?

Mark Yacavone · 04-07-2018, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeCool108

Well if I decide to do the wagon based of the Class racer site, it fits Q/SA with the 2 barrel at 17.05 which is at the top of the class.. so thats a good thing right?
So where should I start? I guess a rule book to see what I can and cant do would be a good place to start.. any reccomendations on transmissions, gears, rear ends...etc?? Tire size? ?

Forget about it .
If you are really so inclined to race a tank, find a 77 Grand Safari for P/SA ,with a 4bbl 400.
Oh , you'll need some skateboard wheels for the front, or maybe just leave on the second yellow.

JoeCool108 · 04-07-2018, 07:05 PM

Ok.. so what car/class do you suggest for someone who is going to build a car from stock.. one that can be accomplished on a small budget with me doing most of the work as possible.. Im all ears..

Mark Yacavone · 04-07-2018, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeCool108

Ok.. so what car/class do you suggest for someone who is going to build a car from stock.. one that can be accomplished on a small budget with me doing most of the work as possible.. Im all ears..

Well, you've already exempted yourself from all stick car and most RWD's.
That leaves the old standby ..302 Fffffford 2 v, R,T, U /SA.

JoeCool108 · 04-07-2018, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Well, you've already exempted yourself from all stick car and most RWD's.
That leaves the old standby ..302 Fffffford 2 v, R,T, U /SA.

Not sure what you mean by Ive already exempted myself from...

kansas stocker · 04-07-2018, 09:12 PM

I guessing that the term "small budget:" is what Mark is referring to. The price of a racing 4 speed, clutch, and bell housing ruins the budget on its own. Could be over $7000 with the shifter included if my research is correct.
Pete

12-06-2017, 01:32 PM	#12
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Stocker build "...So, lets say he builds the car. What are the chances he could get the hp factor reduced to a reasonable number, and aprox how long would that process take ?..." Would he have to run several div races ? Would he have to know somebody with pull, in the racing world or NHRA ? What exactly is involved in getting the hp factor reduced ? So, any real world experiences that answer any or all these questions ?

12-08-2017, 09:02 PM	#14
oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 747 Times in 362 Posts	Re: Stocker build Yeah, that makes good sense to me. May as well also strap on a Q-jet & see if it looks more competitive, than either 2-barrel engine. The Q-jet engines just seem to be more competitive, in most combos, unless you can get the hp factor lowered enuff. I just can't think of a single competitive 2-barrel Pontiac Stocker, right now. Lots of competitive Q-jet combos. http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...1&MAKE=Pontiac

04-06-2018, 11:52 PM	#15
JoeCool108 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Stocker build Well if I decide to do the wagon based of the Class racer site, it fits Q/SA with the 2 barrel at 17.05 which is at the top of the class.. so thats a good thing right? So where should I start? I guess a rule book to see what I can and cant do would be a good place to start.. any reccomendations on transmissions, gears, rear ends...etc?? Tire size? ?

04-07-2018, 07:05 PM	#17
JoeCool108 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Likes: 1 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Stocker build Ok.. so what car/class do you suggest for someone who is going to build a car from stock.. one that can be accomplished on a small budget with me doing most of the work as possible.. Im all ears..

04-07-2018, 09:12 PM	#20
kansas stocker Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: kansas Posts: 235 Likes: 503 Liked 249 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Stocker build I guessing that the term "small budget:" is what Mark is referring to. The price of a racing 4 speed, clutch, and bell housing ruins the budget on its own. Could be over $7000 with the shifter included if my research is correct. Pete Last edited by kansas stocker; 04-07-2018 at 09:15 PM.