Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing

[Michael Beard]

What's a bracket race cost 250?

That's like asking "What does a Camaro cost?" Entry fees range from $15 for a trophy to $2,000 for $1 Million (based on 500 cars... winners typically get $250,000+). We have a race coming up at Kil-Kare in two weeks. $290 entry fee for the weekend gets you into three races, $5K/$10K/$5K. How much the entry fee/payout/car investment is irrelevant, and doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. I have a $5,000 Stocker, and had a $30,000 Super Stocker. Who cares?

Bottom line, Pro ET is not a class that is contended at National Events, nor a class which competes for a Wally. Period.

It was at Englishtown. This would be like other Nat'l/Div'l event categories complaining about Class Eliminations, Factory Stock Shootouts, Hemi Shootouts, etc. It's a specialty event. I don't think the 8 Pro ET cars had a devastating effect on the quotas for class racers, nor did they take up much pit area or track time.

Since everyone is specifically "not bashing bracket racers", why don't those people address their quota concerns with NHRA and SRAC? Quotas have been an issue forever. I remember years ago having 141 Stockers at the Etown LODRS, yet they only accepted 108 Stockers for the Etown National. Direct your frustration at NHRA for only accepting 75 Stockers, or the fact that it takes them FOUR DAYS to run one race with 400 cars.


The title of this thread "Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing" is a misnomer. They are different classes. There is no "versus".

[Pistol Pete]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

That's like asking "What does a Camaro cost?" Entry fees range from $15 for a trophy to $2,000 for $1 Million (based on 500 cars... winners typically get $250,000+). We have a race coming up at Kil-Kare in two weeks. $290 entry fee for the weekend gets you into three races, $5K/$10K/$5K. How much the entry fee/payout/car investment is irrelevant, and doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. I have a $5,000 Stocker, and had a $30,000 Super Stocker. Who cares?



It was at Englishtown. This would be like other Nat'l/Div'l event categories complaining about Class Eliminations, Factory Stock Shootouts, Hemi Shootouts, etc. It's a specialty event. I don't think the 8 Pro ET cars had a devastating effect on the quotas for class racers, nor did they take up much pit area or track time.

Since everyone is specifically "not bashing bracket racers", why don't those people address their quota concerns with NHRA and SRAC? Quotas have been an issue forever. I remember years ago having 141 Stockers at the Etown LODRS, yet they only accepted 108 Stockers for the Etown National. Direct your frustration at NHRA for only accepting 75 Stockers, or the fact that it takes them FOUR DAYS to run one race with 400 cars.


The title of this thread "Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing" is a misnomer. They are different classes. There is no "versus".

Michael
What i meant by in the title should've been: "What's the big deal for allowing 8 Pro/ET Cars at Englishtown"
I don't have a problem with it.
Also, i have made several complaints to NHRA about car quota's in the past, of course i got No good reasoning from them on why they won't UP the car counts.

If other National Events are having other racers come in(example, X275 & snowmobiles) then Why the Big Stink over 8 Pro/ET Cars ?????
Pro/ET cars & the Jr. Dragsters didn't take anybody's pit space either, they were all parked in the back lot at Englishtown.

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

That's like asking "What does a Camaro cost?" Entry fees range from $15 for a trophy to $2,000 for $1 Million (based on 500 cars... winners typically get $250,000+). We have a race coming up at Kil-Kare in two weeks. $290 entry fee for the weekend gets you into three races, $5K/$10K/$5K. How much the entry fee/payout/car investment is irrelevant, and doesn't make anyone better than anyone else. I have a $5,000 Stocker, and had a $30,000 Super Stocker. Who cares?



It was at Englishtown. This would be like other Nat'l/Div'l event categories complaining about Class Eliminations, Factory Stock Shootouts, Hemi Shootouts, etc. It's a specialty event. I don't think the 8 Pro ET cars had a devastating effect on the quotas for class racers, nor did they take up much pit area or track time.

Since everyone is specifically "not bashing bracket racers", why don't those people address their quota concerns with NHRA and SRAC? Quotas have been an issue forever. I remember years ago having 141 Stockers at the Etown LODRS, yet they only accepted 108 Stockers for the Etown National. Direct your frustration at NHRA for only accepting 75 Stockers, or the fact that it takes them FOUR DAYS to run one race with 400 cars.


The title of this thread "Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing" is a misnomer. They are different classes. There is no "versus".

In fact I have shared my frustration with NHRA on this matter Michael. I love ya buddy but I have to call BS on these exhibitions not costing us quota. For every car that's entered under these exhibitions it cost pit space and valuable time especially somewhere like Etown with their curfew. You of all people understand this as a promoter, again my gripe is not with bracket racing, I've watched all kind of exhibition classes run at Nationals and it ain't right in my viewpoint that's all. Am I upset about it, yes but I'm not going to quit over it but I don't mind expressing my opinion about it.

[Mike Pearson]

Originally Posted by HR9121

In fact I have shared my frustration with NHRA on this matter Michael. I love ya buddy but I have to call BS on these exhibitions not costing us quota. For every car that's entered under these exhibitions it cost pit space and valuable time especially somewhere like Etown with their curfew. You of all people understand this as a promoter, again my gripe is not with bracket racing, I've watched all kind of exhibition classes run at Nationals and it ain't right in my viewpoint that's all. Am I upset about it, yes but I'm not going to quit over it but I don't mind expressing my opinion about it.

Great post James.
They don't run stock or SS at the bracket finals for a Wally do they. Everyone wants a Wally but don't want to spend the time,money and work to get one. That's what bracket racing is for with the exception of the big money guys and the top cars