Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing

HR9121 · 06-08-2017, 07:30 AM

This is getting worse than fake news, I haven't heard one person bash bracket racing!!! I'm not going to bash bracket racing either, check on any given weekend around here you might find me bracket racing my stocker, talk about sacrilegious. Problem is NHRA setting quotas so low a person needs 5 GP's to get in and their reasoning for this is parking space, schedule issues. Then run us till 10 or 11 o'clock Saturday nights to get us down to Semis then go fill up Sunday's show sleds,275, street outlaws or whatever other clown show they can think of. I have to agree with what Ken said and its a slap in the face all sportsman racers running lodrs races in search of valuable grade points.

nhramnl · 06-08-2017, 07:59 AM

Like all of you, I have no beef whatsoever with bracket racers. Truth is, they might be smarter than we are, because they focus on the fun part...racing. I've gotten to the point where I don't even compete at national events anymore, because it's just no fun. We're treated like cattle, waiting for hours while nothing happens, only to then be hustled through everything with an attitude on NHRA's part of "C'mon, get up here and get that POS down the track; we've got Super Street and snowmobiles to run!". It's been said a thousand times, but NHRA has become something it was never, ever intended to be; entertainment for the masses. And when they made that decision, they stopped being about the fun part.

Bob Don · 06-08-2017, 08:20 AM

I echo Ken's sentiments. We go through a lot to be able to run national events, running divisionals and accumulating grade points. For local racers to be able to waltz into a national event and get preferred pit spaces and, in some cases, pay no fee is just wrong. If you want to run a national event and earn a wally, run one of the contested classes and start going to divisionals. Weekly bracket racers should aspire to move up, not be "showcased". This cheapens the wally.

Strawboss · 06-08-2017, 08:32 AM

The problem with NHRA and the s/ss quotas is that they don't need all our money when they charge big bucks for the many trailers that the professionals bring in and take up so much space. Just like an old friend told me once, we are just like carnies except carnies go from town to town putting on a show and getting paid for it and we go town to town putting on a show and we pay them to let us do it and we still love doing it. So we have to take the cards they deal us and play their game.

Jon Sarrett · 06-08-2017, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121

This is getting worse than fake news, I haven't heard one person bash bracket racing!!! I'm not going to bash bracket racing either, check on any given weekend around here you might find me bracket racing my stocker, talk about sacrilegious. Problem is NHRA setting quotas so low a person needs 5 GP's to get in and their reasoning for this is parking space, schedule issues. Then run us till 10 or 11 o'clock Saturday nights to get us down to Semis then go fill up Sunday's show sleds,275, street outlaws or whatever other clown show they can think of. I have to agree with what Ken said and its a slap in the face all sportsman racers running lodrs races in search of valuable grade points.

Winner!

I was out of stock for 7-8 years and when I made a return I was incredibly surprised how much things changed. There never used to be a quota when we ran a national event. I remember standing in line at Firebird many times waiting to buy my credentials for the CSK Nationals/Arizona Nationals/Etc, same at Pomona, Vegas, etc. When I decided to build another car and get back in it I knew it would take a couple of seasons to accumulate enough GP's to race a national event. We all know travel expenses and entry fees rack up really fast and it was a grind but I'll be racing at my first national event this year since 2002. To give guys a free pass at one of the most coveted trophies in motorsports leaves a bad taste in my mouth after years of putting a plan in motion. Some friends are on the outside looking in with 3 or 4 GP's and a national event at their home track(s). My voice is so small that it will never be heard as is the case with most others. We all know the only way to voice is our opinion is not to buy in to it but for every one that doesn't pull the trigger there are 5 behind waiting buy. This is the world we live in and we have to make the best of it. It sucks, I'm not happy with it but we have 2 options; roll with it or move out.

Michael Beard · 06-08-2017, 03:51 PM

I'm sorry, but the elite country club "This is OUR event!" outrage sounds disingenuous. Where was everyone when you had an event dedicated solely to Stock and Super Stock, with everything you ever asked for?

doglover44 · 06-08-2017, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

I'm sorry, but the elite country club "This is OUR event!" outrage sounds disingenuous. Where was everyone when you had an event dedicated solely to Stock and Super Stock, with everything you ever asked for?

I agree with Michael When the S/SS event was at National Trail I didn't hear anyone complaining. I don't see what all the fuss is about It's a 1 time deal just like the X275 in Epping its not like its gonna happen at all Nat events.

Lenny5160 · 06-08-2017, 05:59 PM

The joke is on these 8 bracket racers, really. How can they possibly appreciate the glory that is a NHRA national event without having experienced all of the personal sacrifice required by all other competitors to get there?

Hacksaw · 06-08-2017, 06:41 PM

Seems like 10 or so years ago they started offering a Wally to winners of a bracket race. I never thought that was right and also think it moved us down a notch.

cmracing · 06-08-2017, 09:26 PM

Pete, I read the same shyt on here last year when the Index Classes got to run at the Divisionals. We didn't have to pay $180 or whatever Stk/SSTK has to pay for the entry. I paid $60 and the payout was based on entries. Heck, Maple Grove gave us great parking which I declined since I was also driving your Stocker.

So now we have these fabulous racers on here upset that 8 Pro ET cars were invited to race. Did they complain last year when Street ET and 11.50 Index did the same thing? How about the Bracket Motorcycles that will also be running this weekend? Maybe they even know about them yet......

Or the 25 Jr. Dragsters that will also be taking their valuable track time.....

E-Town is not the only track doing this. NHRA started this a few years ago. I don't know how many tracks are participating in this, I could find out, but it really doesn't matter.

What the Stockers should be complaining about is the quota for this race, and the fact that Shootout Cars that don't qualify get inserted into the class. So, they basically buy their way into the program......... What if a Comp racer doesn't qualify, what do they get to do? WATCH!!!!!!!!

Not that that will happen anymore, that class is just about dead.

I said a month or so I was leaving this site, and after this I will be gone. The post will probably be removed anyway........

06-08-2017, 07:30 AM	#1
HR9121 Live Reporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 3,467 Likes: 146 Liked 3,363 Times in 731 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing This is getting worse than fake news, I haven't heard one person bash bracket racing!!! I'm not going to bash bracket racing either, check on any given weekend around here you might find me bracket racing my stocker, talk about sacrilegious. Problem is NHRA setting quotas so low a person needs 5 GP's to get in and their reasoning for this is parking space, schedule issues. Then run us till 10 or 11 o'clock Saturday nights to get us down to Semis then go fill up Sunday's show sleds,275, street outlaws or whatever other clown show they can think of. I have to agree with what Ken said and its a slap in the face all sportsman racers running lodrs races in search of valuable grade points. __________________ James Williamson W200 J/SA. SS/JA

06-08-2017, 07:59 AM	#2
nhramnl Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 507 Likes: 8 Liked 358 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing Like all of you, I have no beef whatsoever with bracket racers. Truth is, they might be smarter than we are, because they focus on the fun part...racing. I've gotten to the point where I don't even compete at national events anymore, because it's just no fun. We're treated like cattle, waiting for hours while nothing happens, only to then be hustled through everything with an attitude on NHRA's part of "C'mon, get up here and get that POS down the track; we've got Super Street and snowmobiles to run!". It's been said a thousand times, but NHRA has become something it was never, ever intended to be; entertainment for the masses. And when they made that decision, they stopped being about the fun part.

06-08-2017, 08:20 AM	#3
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,498 Likes: 1,151 Liked 905 Times in 193 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing I echo Ken's sentiments. We go through a lot to be able to run national events, running divisionals and accumulating grade points. For local racers to be able to waltz into a national event and get preferred pit spaces and, in some cases, pay no fee is just wrong. If you want to run a national event and earn a wally, run one of the contested classes and start going to divisionals. Weekly bracket racers should aspire to move up, not be "showcased". This cheapens the wally. __________________ Bob Don 128 SS

06-08-2017, 08:32 AM	#4
Strawboss Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 15 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing The problem with NHRA and the s/ss quotas is that they don't need all our money when they charge big bucks for the many trailers that the professionals bring in and take up so much space. Just like an old friend told me once, we are just like carnies except carnies go from town to town putting on a show and getting paid for it and we go town to town putting on a show and we pay them to let us do it and we still love doing it. So we have to take the cards they deal us and play their game.

06-08-2017, 03:51 PM	#6
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing I'm sorry, but the elite country club "This is OUR event!" outrage sounds disingenuous. Where was everyone when you had an event dedicated solely to Stock and Super Stock, with everything you ever asked for? __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

06-08-2017, 05:59 PM	#8
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 431 Times in 224 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing The joke is on these 8 bracket racers, really. How can they possibly appreciate the glory that is a NHRA national event without having experienced all of the personal sacrifice required by all other competitors to get there? __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

06-08-2017, 06:41 PM	#9
Hacksaw Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2016 Posts: 888 Likes: 210 Liked 314 Times in 177 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing Seems like 10 or so years ago they started offering a Wally to winners of a bracket race. I never thought that was right and also think it moved us down a notch.

06-08-2017, 09:26 PM	#10
cmracing Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 173 Likes: 113 Liked 62 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Bracket Racing vs Stock/Super Stock Racing Pete, I read the same shyt on here last year when the Index Classes got to run at the Divisionals. We didn't have to pay $180 or whatever Stk/SSTK has to pay for the entry. I paid $60 and the payout was based on entries. Heck, Maple Grove gave us great parking which I declined since I was also driving your Stocker. So now we have these fabulous racers on here upset that 8 Pro ET cars were invited to race. Did they complain last year when Street ET and 11.50 Index did the same thing? How about the Bracket Motorcycles that will also be running this weekend? Maybe they even know about them yet...... Or the 25 Jr. Dragsters that will also be taking their valuable track time..... E-Town is not the only track doing this. NHRA started this a few years ago. I don't know how many tracks are participating in this, I could find out, but it really doesn't matter. What the Stockers should be complaining about is the quota for this race, and the fact that Shootout Cars that don't qualify get inserted into the class. So, they basically buy their way into the program......... What if a Comp racer doesn't qualify, what do they get to do? WATCH!!!!!!!! Not that that will happen anymore, that class is just about dead. I said a month or so I was leaving this site, and after this I will be gone. The post will probably be removed anyway........