And the whiner award goes to ...... - Page 4

Greg Hill · 12-12-2007, 05:15 PM

Jerry you would think so based on the specs you quoted the big difference however is the flow of the heads. Rod ratio doesn't hurt either and the cams are basically the same. Holley carb is 780, Thermoquad is either 750 or 800. You guys have done a good job getting your cars to really fly and I respect you for that. I was responding to Chuck's initial post about people whinning and not working hard enough or spending enough money.

Greg

Greg Hill · 12-12-2007, 05:20 PM

Ed I do want AHFS to work, that's why I supported counting all runs at National events. By the way I know which Mopar you're talking about and that car is extremely fast, probably the fastest E/SA car in the country.

Greg

Chuck Beach · 12-12-2007, 08:30 PM

Hello Greg,
How are you doing? Hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas. Greg you know as well as I do this post was not directed to the 'hard' working people of stock and super stock. Those people that are waiting for the HP gods to take care of them know who they are.

Let me give you some background about my combo. When I started some 35 years ago I got pounded regularly by the 455 Buicks. Then along came the 351 Mustangs which thumped me for years. Then I had to deal with the LT1's, then the LS1's and the 340 low compression motors as well as the 360's. Most of the 350 Chebbies were just as good. As the rules changed over the years some things helped some didn't. After 15 years or so I changed engine shops and things began to come together. I tried different convertors, tried different cams, tried different transmissions (my tranny was probably 3 times what yours cost) and everything else you can think of. I bought headers that I never thought would cost that much. I bought some stuff that I thought I must be out of my mind (which I probably am). But if you don't try new stuff how will you know. Nobody but tells us what combo to build, we as racers decide that. I cannot afford to go out and build a new car (or even a different motor combination) when HP changes. Some racers can. You look at my 340 combo compared to all of the 350 combos out there. Some guys can change heads, cam or intake and change class, I don't have that luxury. But I am the one that chose this combo. Even today it is not that popular, there may be 4 to 5 of us that run this 340 combo. And don't forget about all the paper cars out there.

In my 35+ year career I have a whopping 8 class trophies. Never have won class at Indy and I have been there 30 times. Never won a National event and have only won a couple divisionals. I have never run 1.25 + under in any conditions. Now I am not complaining because it was my own fault for losing many class wins, so to help with my driving I went to a 2-step and blocking. I still have not won anything but I have been more consistant. Now that has been taken away. So part of my original comment was that AHFS was designed to level the playing field when it comes to HP. I used a 2-step and blinder to help level the playing field in driving. I have never been a very good footbrake racer, many racers are. I see no safety issues using a blinder, if there has been instances it has been because of carelessness. My blinder was not in place till I was at the starting line.

I raced for some 25 years with only minor rule changes, now it seems like there are more rule changes than races.

LouisJeffery · 12-12-2007, 09:08 PM

Typical Chevrolet 350 such as 295hp. 1967 production cam spec .390 .410 NHRA spec .390 .410

Typical mopar 340 production cam spec .429 .444 NHRA spec .462 .473

Not hating just trying to keep it REAL!!!! What happened there ? is it just a 30 year old typo??????

Real Racer · 12-12-2007, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisJeffery

Typical Chevrolet 350 such as 295hp. 1967 production cam spec .390 .410 NHRA spec .390 .410

Typical mopar 340 production cam spec .429 .444 NHRA spec .462 .473

Not hating just trying to keep it REAL!!!! What happened there ? is it just a 30 year old typo??????

Cheverolet 350 cam specs in question are a far cry from the ones you chose to list.

Here are the 71 Z28 cam specs

330 350 .002 Flat w/n 2023/1605 458/484 Outer w Damp .016 887,316,993,916,881,882

Ron Ortiz · 12-12-2007, 10:01 PM

Clutch man, thanks for the go ahead, I was a little worried. By the way, have I met you before at the races, I believe I know you from your previous posts and your location.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA jerky head huh.

LouisJeffery · 12-12-2007, 10:14 PM

My post was not about any particular combo just the DIFFERENCE between the actual factory cam lift and the NHRA (Paper car) spec of the Mopar. Doesn't the 340 run against the 290 hp 350 Chevrolet in E,F,G and H stock?

Speedracer · 12-13-2007, 12:53 AM

I am really impressed with the 1968 340 combo running as fast as it does with the factory 1.815 Piston Compression Height.That is truly outstanding! It really shows what HARD work can do!
The Chevrolet has a big advantage with a 1.535 compression height.

Greg Hill · 12-13-2007, 10:26 AM

Merry Christmas Chuck. At least you won't have to run against Jerry Bennett any more.

Greg

Harry 6674 · 12-13-2007, 11:54 AM

Chuck Beach, how much have you picked up your combo over the many years you've worked with it? What do you feel was the biggest technological boost through the years? Its got to be tough when you have a combo with out a lot of options. You have to love it.

12-12-2007, 05:15 PM	#31
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Jerry you would think so based on the specs you quoted the big difference however is the flow of the heads. Rod ratio doesn't hurt either and the cams are basically the same. Holley carb is 780, Thermoquad is either 750 or 800. You guys have done a good job getting your cars to really fly and I respect you for that. I was responding to Chuck's initial post about people whinning and not working hard enough or spending enough money. Greg

12-12-2007, 05:20 PM	#32
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Ed I do want AHFS to work, that's why I supported counting all runs at National events. By the way I know which Mopar you're talking about and that car is extremely fast, probably the fastest E/SA car in the country. Greg

12-12-2007, 08:30 PM	#33
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Hello Greg, How are you doing? Hope you and your family have a Merry Christmas. Greg you know as well as I do this post was not directed to the 'hard' working people of stock and super stock. Those people that are waiting for the HP gods to take care of them know who they are. Let me give you some background about my combo. When I started some 35 years ago I got pounded regularly by the 455 Buicks. Then along came the 351 Mustangs which thumped me for years. Then I had to deal with the LT1's, then the LS1's and the 340 low compression motors as well as the 360's. Most of the 350 Chebbies were just as good. As the rules changed over the years some things helped some didn't. After 15 years or so I changed engine shops and things began to come together. I tried different convertors, tried different cams, tried different transmissions (my tranny was probably 3 times what yours cost) and everything else you can think of. I bought headers that I never thought would cost that much. I bought some stuff that I thought I must be out of my mind (which I probably am). But if you don't try new stuff how will you know. Nobody but tells us what combo to build, we as racers decide that. I cannot afford to go out and build a new car (or even a different motor combination) when HP changes. Some racers can. You look at my 340 combo compared to all of the 350 combos out there. Some guys can change heads, cam or intake and change class, I don't have that luxury. But I am the one that chose this combo. Even today it is not that popular, there may be 4 to 5 of us that run this 340 combo. And don't forget about all the paper cars out there. In my 35+ year career I have a whopping 8 class trophies. Never have won class at Indy and I have been there 30 times. Never won a National event and have only won a couple divisionals. I have never run 1.25 + under in any conditions. Now I am not complaining because it was my own fault for losing many class wins, so to help with my driving I went to a 2-step and blocking. I still have not won anything but I have been more consistant. Now that has been taken away. So part of my original comment was that AHFS was designed to level the playing field when it comes to HP. I used a 2-step and blinder to help level the playing field in driving. I have never been a very good footbrake racer, many racers are. I see no safety issues using a blinder, if there has been instances it has been because of carelessness. My blinder was not in place till I was at the starting line. I raced for some 25 years with only minor rule changes, now it seems like there are more rule changes than races. __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

12-12-2007, 09:08 PM	#34
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Typical Chevrolet 350 such as 295hp. 1967 production cam spec .390 .410 NHRA spec .390 .410 Typical mopar 340 production cam spec .429 .444 NHRA spec .462 .473 Not hating just trying to keep it REAL!!!! What happened there ? is it just a 30 year old typo?????? __________________ Louis Jeffery 3225 STK

12-12-2007, 10:01 PM	#36
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Clutch man, thanks for the go ahead, I was a little worried. By the way, have I met you before at the races, I believe I know you from your previous posts and your location. Ron Ortiz U/SA jerky head huh. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-12-2007, 10:14 PM	#37
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... My post was not about any particular combo just the DIFFERENCE between the actual factory cam lift and the NHRA (Paper car) spec of the Mopar. Doesn't the 340 run against the 290 hp 350 Chevrolet in E,F,G and H stock? __________________ Louis Jeffery 3225 STK

12-13-2007, 12:53 AM	#38
Speedracer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 59 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... I am really impressed with the 1968 340 combo running as fast as it does with the factory 1.815 Piston Compression Height.That is truly outstanding! It really shows what HARD work can do! The Chevrolet has a big advantage with a 1.535 compression height. Last edited by Speedracer; 12-13-2007 at 01:29 AM.

12-13-2007, 10:26 AM	#39
Greg Hill VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Louisville , KY Posts: 1,995 Likes: 69 Liked 279 Times in 68 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Merry Christmas Chuck. At least you won't have to run against Jerry Bennett any more. Greg

12-13-2007, 11:54 AM	#40
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: And the whiner award goes to ...... Chuck Beach, how much have you picked up your combo over the many years you've worked with it? What do you feel was the biggest technological boost through the years? Its got to be tough when you have a combo with out a lot of options. You have to love it.