Qualifying with no AHFS

joe176 · 02-28-2016, 05:33 PM

Interested in fellow racers opinions on this topic .... Recently I asked Kent Hanley to voice my idea to NHRA on having stock and super stock qualify at all events ( National and Divisional ) with no AHFS .... Same way comp qualifies with no CIC ..it would count for eliminations only.... Needless to say it was not accepted based on the statistical value of Q data needed to even up the combos
My thinking was in a performance based category wouldn't it be great to go to races....ALL RACES ..not just Opens .. And be able to run your car all out ... Maybe even go for the #1 spot if you can ....be a lot of fun !!!!! Also fun to watch !!!.. Let's face it .. in all the years the AHFS has been in effect we are no closer to evening up the combos / cars then when it was originally implemented .... I ran my 305 for 12 years and never got it hit for HP because I manipulated the car to avoid the AHFS like most of us do ... I think it's time for change .. Let's stop racing with one hand tied behind our backs after spending big money to build these cars

What you say ???????????

B Aceves · 02-28-2016, 06:04 PM

I would say at this Point we have No option !
Just received a update of what had to take place at Phoenix in the Semis between two fast cars that work hard to be fast and this was the end result .. Pretty frustrating to say the least Great job NHRA ... you guys are the best !!
Might be time to go Outlaw racing.

Jeff Niceswanger · 02-28-2016, 06:45 PM

Good idea .. You mean no more break light racing during qualifying ? ..LOL.. I'm all for it .. And I like someone else's idea of running time trials off the indexes .. It would certainly put a little life in our practice sessions ... For us, and anybody that would happen to be spectating or helping ,,,

joe176 · 02-28-2016, 06:47 PM

Here's another idea .... What about 2 cars with the same combo race heads up ... No AHFS .. Opinions ????

Dick Butler · 02-28-2016, 06:50 PM

Joe, your idea is great but, Just think of the problem of the guys who realize how much et people have been holding in their classes.
I think make #1 qualifier a prize again, make going fast the goal again.
In All a great idea.
Heads up idea also good.

Pistol Pete · 02-28-2016, 06:54 PM

I love your idea Joe.
It is time for a change.
Also, it would be great during qualifying to use the index and handicap accordingly, like it would be an actual race.

Mark Yacavone · 02-28-2016, 06:55 PM

Not sure I understand, Joe.
You're saying people would want to run 1.50 under in qualifying and time trials, then dial .90 under for eliminations?

older racer · 02-28-2016, 07:20 PM

I see heads up in stock, semi's. one car slowed way down . why's that?

Angelo DiTocco · 02-28-2016, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Not sure I understand, Joe.
You're saying people would want to run 1.50 under in qualifying and time trials, then dial .90 under for eliminations?

Mark - maybe not 1.50 under and the .90 for elims...... but damn..... it would be nice to just be able to stop worrying about it all the time.

I don't see what difference it would make to change.... I agree with Joe - everyone with a fast car is running detuned... heavy... lifting - it really has become a joke. So has the. Infighting and commiserating between people with similar combos.

And - yeah - if they won't make that kind of a broad change then hell yeah - make it NO AHFS for heads up runs - and do ya one better - no AHFS in heads up even when it's 2 racers with different combos.

I think that would pump some life into these classes which have become increasingly boring.

Paul Precht · 02-28-2016, 08:11 PM

People were lifting and sandbagging long before the AHFS came along.

02-28-2016, 06:04 PM	#2
B Aceves Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 457 Likes: 1 Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS I would say at this Point we have No option ! Just received a update of what had to take place at Phoenix in the Semis between two fast cars that work hard to be fast and this was the end result .. Pretty frustrating to say the least Great job NHRA ... you guys are the best !! Might be time to go Outlaw racing. __________________ Bob Aceves, 746 E/SA A&M motorsports

02-28-2016, 06:45 PM	#3
Jeff Niceswanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 894 Likes: 687 Liked 1,034 Times in 368 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS Good idea .. You mean no more break light racing during qualifying ? ..LOL.. I'm all for it .. And I like someone else's idea of running time trials off the indexes .. It would certainly put a little life in our practice sessions ... For us, and anybody that would happen to be spectating or helping ,,, __________________ Jeff Niceswanger 3740 SS

02-28-2016, 06:47 PM	#4
joe176 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Posts: 601 Likes: 36 Liked 41 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS Here's another idea .... What about 2 cars with the same combo race heads up ... No AHFS .. Opinions ???? __________________ Joe Franco SS176

02-28-2016, 06:50 PM	#5
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS Joe, your idea is great but, Just think of the problem of the guys who realize how much et people have been holding in their classes. I think make #1 qualifier a prize again, make going fast the goal again. In All a great idea. Heads up idea also good.

02-28-2016, 06:54 PM	#6
Pistol Pete VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Punta Gorda Isles, Fl. Posts: 1,629 Likes: 3,416 Liked 795 Times in 210 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS I love your idea Joe. It is time for a change. Also, it would be great during qualifying to use the index and handicap accordingly, like it would be an actual race. __________________ "Pistol" Pete Dutko

02-28-2016, 05:33 PM	#1
joe176 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY Posts: 601 Likes: 36 Liked 41 Times in 9 Posts	Qualifying with no AHFS Interested in fellow racers opinions on this topic .... Recently I asked Kent Hanley to voice my idea to NHRA on having stock and super stock qualify at all events ( National and Divisional ) with no AHFS .... Same way comp qualifies with no CIC ..it would count for eliminations only.... Needless to say it was not accepted based on the statistical value of Q data needed to even up the combos My thinking was in a performance based category wouldn't it be great to go to races....ALL RACES ..not just Opens .. And be able to run your car all out ... Maybe even go for the #1 spot if you can ....be a lot of fun !!!!! Also fun to watch !!!.. Let's face it .. in all the years the AHFS has been in effect we are no closer to evening up the combos / cars then when it was originally implemented .... I ran my 305 for 12 years and never got it hit for HP because I manipulated the car to avoid the AHFS like most of us do ... I think it's time for change .. Let's stop racing with one hand tied behind our backs after spending big money to build these cars What you say ??????????? __________________ Joe Franco SS176

02-28-2016, 06:55 PM	#7
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,819 Likes: 2,910 Liked 5,127 Times in 1,955 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS Not sure I understand, Joe. You're saying people would want to run 1.50 under in qualifying and time trials, then dial .90 under for eliminations? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

02-28-2016, 07:20 PM	#8
older racer Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 212 Likes: 13 Liked 68 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS I see heads up in stock, semi's. one car slowed way down . why's that?

02-28-2016, 08:11 PM	#10
Paul Precht Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Elysburg, Pa Posts: 733 Likes: 361 Liked 327 Times in 121 Posts	Re: Qualifying with no AHFS People were lifting and sandbagging long before the AHFS came along.