EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race Cars

Carguy49 · 02-09-2016, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson

NHRA as the leading sanctioning body in drag racing should be leading this battle on the drag racing front. SEMA will be leading it for the high performance manufacturing industry. They should have the credibility to get the right people involved to get a stop to this issue. If this passes that would be the end of our sport.

Good point. If Mr. Clifford wants to help the sportsman racer - this would be a great place for NHRA to start.

Mark Yacavone · 02-09-2016, 02:37 PM

For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.

T Pogue · 02-10-2016, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.

Reorganization Plan No. 3 of 1970 (July 9, 1970) - message from President Nixon to Congress about reorganization plans to establish EPA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA)

jim reynolds · 02-17-2016, 01:33 AM

[Agreed....no longer a lifelong Democrat! Finally woke up! SO is Bruce a democrat... sounds like me several years ago, before I saw how bad the housing authority was screwing me and my company over! We had the cleaning contract with them and I finally got tired of seeing the Free phones, rent, food, and more while I'm crawling around on all 4's cleaning and repairing their carpets while they deal dope in the streets and drive cars better than mine!!!QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;495081]For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.[/QUOTE]

Dan Fletcher · 02-17-2016, 09:08 AM

This is crazy, but its obviously real and could actually happen. The very first post on page one with the link to SEMA has a VERY easy link to sign the petition. Take the two seconds to do so!

And for the first time ever in my life, I just emailed my Congress person!

Tom keedle · 02-17-2016, 10:32 AM

search this:"epa spills into colorado river"

House of Darts · 02-17-2016, 11:15 AM

I just took the time to read all 12 pages of posts. I remember back in the mid to late 70's and 80's how the local or state police would roll into a legitimate car show or gathering and go car by car and look for cats, air pumps, plumbing to the carb or air filter and write tickets. Remember that that they were enforcing a Fed law and or a copy cat state law or local ordinance.There is a resurgence in automobiles and racing. Less regulation! Less intrusion! Less intervention! Every year new laws and new taxes. Is life getting easier?

CMcAllister · 02-17-2016, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by House of Darts

I just took the time to read all 12 pages of posts. I remember back in the mid to late 70's and 80's how the local or state police would roll into a legitimate car show or gathering and go car by car and look for cats, air pumps, plumbing to the carb or air filter and write tickets. Remember that that they were enforcing a Fed law and or a copy cat state law or local ordinance.There is a resurgence in automobiles and racing. Less regulation! Less intrusion! Less intervention! Every year new laws and new taxes. Is life getting easier?

Does anyone doubt that state authorities would come to a race track or car show and seize the opportunity to do the same thing on bracket, Stock and Super Stock cars that were originally street legal? Especially in certain states in the Northeast and on the west coast? And especially once they found out it was easy pickins to create a substantial revenue score? EPA could and would give them the legal standing and coerce them to do so. It's not like there isn't a history of that happening already in other enforcement efforts. It's what they do.

Continue to spread the word and bug your representatives. It is being noticed.

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Grey Ghost · 02-17-2016, 01:06 PM

For decades the heavy truck industry offered what they called glider kits (body in white). If your old truck had a good drive train you wanted to keep using you could order a new chassis without a motor or trans and the manufacture would build the chassis to accept your older motor/trans combination.

In 2004 EPA emission mandates hit the heavy trucks. The 2004-2007 requirements were "liveable" for the most part. They did have problems which have been ironed out. 2008 to present have major issues with their emission programs. According to wrecker services in my area 9 out of 10 hooks are emission control problems with the newer trucks.

A new tractor ranges from $100 - $170k. Peterbilt/Kenworth are the only manufacturers still offering glider kits. Independent companies are the only ones allowed to install the older motors, factory dealers can not do it. They are installing 2003 and older non emission rebuilt motors in the new chassis. CAT 3406 and C15s, Cummins N14 and early ISXs, and Detroit 60 series engines all pre emission. The cost for the glider trucks with the older reliable motors is about the same as a new emission truck...which do you think are getting ordered?

To top it all off the emission trucks fuel mileage tanked 20% are more. On a truck getting 5 to 7 mpg this a significant drop and expense. If you consider the extra fuel burned with the emission mandates is the "carbon" output per truck really reduced?? Add down time with the new trucks to your bottom line also.

Nixon created the EPA. Congress gave the regulatory agencies the power to write and enact regulations then they seem surprised when they are out of the "loop" when the dumber than real life agency heads try to enact this crap. Base line bugets are another example. Congess has become nothing more than a bunch of lazy a** es there only for their own welfare payments.

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Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,845 Likes: 2,937 Liked 5,157 Times in 1,969 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

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jim reynolds Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 129 Likes: 227 Liked 24 Times in 11 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race [Agreed....no longer a lifelong Democrat! Finally woke up! SO is Bruce a democrat... sounds like me several years ago, before I saw how bad the housing authority was screwing me and my company over! We had the cleaning contract with them and I finally got tired of seeing the Free phones, rent, food, and more while I'm crawling around on all 4's cleaning and repairing their carpets while they deal dope in the streets and drive cars better than mine!!!QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;495081]For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.[/QUOTE]

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Dan Fletcher Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Churchville, NY Posts: 493 Likes: 130 Liked 1,045 Times in 70 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race This is crazy, but its obviously real and could actually happen. The very first post on page one with the link to SEMA has a VERY easy link to sign the petition. Take the two seconds to do so! And for the first time ever in my life, I just emailed my Congress person! __________________ Dan Fletcher 1781 STK, SS, COMP, SG, SC DAN FLETCHER TRAILER SALES Last edited by Dan Fletcher; 02-17-2016 at 09:44 AM.

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Tom keedle Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Berthoud, Coloraduh Posts: 695 Likes: 13 Liked 8 Times in 7 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race search this:"epa spills into colorado river" __________________ without losers,winning means nothing.

02-17-2016, 11:15 AM	#7
House of Darts Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 346 Likes: 19 Liked 20 Times in 15 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race I just took the time to read all 12 pages of posts. I remember back in the mid to late 70's and 80's how the local or state police would roll into a legitimate car show or gathering and go car by car and look for cats, air pumps, plumbing to the carb or air filter and write tickets. Remember that that they were enforcing a Fed law and or a copy cat state law or local ordinance.There is a resurgence in automobiles and racing. Less regulation! Less intrusion! Less intervention! Every year new laws and new taxes. Is life getting easier?

02-17-2016, 01:06 PM	#9
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 422 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	Re: EPA To Prohibit the Conversion of Street Cars into Race For decades the heavy truck industry offered what they called glider kits (body in white). If your old truck had a good drive train you wanted to keep using you could order a new chassis without a motor or trans and the manufacture would build the chassis to accept your older motor/trans combination. In 2004 EPA emission mandates hit the heavy trucks. The 2004-2007 requirements were "liveable" for the most part. They did have problems which have been ironed out. 2008 to present have major issues with their emission programs. According to wrecker services in my area 9 out of 10 hooks are emission control problems with the newer trucks. A new tractor ranges from $100 - $170k. Peterbilt/Kenworth are the only manufacturers still offering glider kits. Independent companies are the only ones allowed to install the older motors, factory dealers can not do it. They are installing 2003 and older non emission rebuilt motors in the new chassis. CAT 3406 and C15s, Cummins N14 and early ISXs, and Detroit 60 series engines all pre emission. The cost for the glider trucks with the older reliable motors is about the same as a new emission truck...which do you think are getting ordered? To top it all off the emission trucks fuel mileage tanked 20% are more. On a truck getting 5 to 7 mpg this a significant drop and expense. If you consider the extra fuel burned with the emission mandates is the "carbon" output per truck really reduced?? Add down time with the new trucks to your bottom line also. Nixon created the EPA. Congress gave the regulatory agencies the power to write and enact regulations then they seem surprised when they are out of the "loop" when the dumber than real life agency heads try to enact this crap. Base line bugets are another example. Congess has become nothing more than a bunch of lazy a** es there only for their own welfare payments.