Random thought about the *HRA

Ed Wright · 10-20-2015, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Incorrect. At higher speeds, cars cover more distance per time. The faster you go, the easier it is. Junior Dragsters driving the stripe to .00x are VERY impressive.

I've raced 1/8th, 1000', and 1/4. It's all good. 1000' is my favorite... best of both worlds, closer handicaps than 1/4, more speed than 1/8th. Seriously, cars are just riding after 1000'. It's not a big deal. They'd have to come up with all new indexes to implement S/SS on 1000', however, so it's unlikely. Race distance is typically predicated on whatever the fastest class on the property is.

I know you consider yourself an expert here, but I disagree with you about this one. I find driving the stripe much easier 1/8th mile. Just don't think it is as much fun. I find it boring. Just will no longer do it. Tried it, don't like it. Your first sentance contradicts your statement.

Another Friendly Racer · 10-21-2015, 10:19 AM

What Beard is saying is that it's easier to take 5 thousandths stripe on someone at 135 than at 105 (Taking someone through the traps by a tire at 135 will be a tighter MOV than doing the same at 105). Not to mention many guys are staring at the tack for a good part of an 1/8 mile run with less time to size up their opponent. There is an argument that 1/8 mile top end driving is easier because there is less of a variance in E.T.'s between two competing cars, as opposed to if they were racing 1/4.

Fun stuff.

I prefer 1/8th but love it all.

Dan Fahey · 10-21-2015, 10:29 AM

1/8 mile or 1/4 mile !

If I am Drag Racing it is a good day..!

Dan

treessavoy · 10-21-2015, 01:00 PM

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=Dan Fahey;485692]1/8 mile or 1/4 mile !

If I am Drag Racing it is a good day..!

Dan[ QUOTE

]

Amen!

JimR

Michael Beard · 10-21-2015, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I know you consider yourself an expert here, but I disagree with you about this one.

Sir, it is not a matter of expertise. It's math.

If you are running 100 mph you cover 17.6" in .010 seconds. If you are running 135 mph, you cover 23.7" in that same amount of time. So, if you take 12 inches of stripe, is the MOV closer at 100 mph, or at 135 mph?

Try some light reading from an expert over on Bogacki's website. Bud McNasby's Guest Tutorial on the subject is here: http://www.thisisbracketracing.com/g...s=5F5409020E06

Mickey Whaley · 10-21-2015, 04:48 PM

Beard is right!
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Ed Wright · 10-21-2015, 06:32 PM

Your talking about time. I'm talking about it being easier to put foot on somebody at 100.
Easier for me to control that 12" at 100 MPH. Maybe not for you?
Still don't care to do it. IHRA can have it.

Michael Beard · 10-21-2015, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Your talking about time. I'm talking about it being easier to put foot on somebody at 100.
Easier for me to control that 12" at 100 MPH. Maybe not for you?
Still don't care to do it. IHRA can have it.

Of course we're talking about time. That is the metric used by our sport, and what determines a win or loss. If you take a foot at 100 mph, you're looking at just under .007. At 135 mph, that same MOV is over 16 inches, i.e. you don't HAVE to cut it as close to achieve the same result.

In terms of judging physical distance, the difficulty level is a factor of the speed differential between you and your opponent. It is easier to judge a 1/4-mile matchup of 135 mph vs 130 mph than it is an 1/8th mile matchup of 100 mph vs 115 mph. Perhaps the argument you are actually trying to make is that statistically, the speed differentials are more likely to be smaller on the 1/8th mile.

Ron Ortiz · 10-21-2015, 09:31 PM

So what about you D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6 and D7 drivers think about this. Do you think that your surrounding racetracks would go to 1,000 ft for "operational purposes".

Ron Ortiz
U/SA just trying to help our sport

Dick Butler · 10-22-2015, 09:56 AM

Interesting math discussions. Interesting thoughts on track length. *HRA s might discuss this one as it saves time, space, etc. Runs sportsman class cars through faster to shorten the event time they require. Kind of like fewer lights on the tree.

A shame there are no logical people to discuss "Class racing" as apposed to the Dial in component. That might help the fan interest too but little interest to *HRA.

10-21-2015, 10:19 AM	#2
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 153 Likes: 0 Liked 21 Times in 7 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** What Beard is saying is that it's easier to take 5 thousandths stripe on someone at 135 than at 105 (Taking someone through the traps by a tire at 135 will be a tighter MOV than doing the same at 105). Not to mention many guys are staring at the tack for a good part of an 1/8 mile run with less time to size up their opponent. There is an argument that 1/8 mile top end driving is easier because there is less of a variance in E.T.'s between two competing cars, as opposed to if they were racing 1/4. Fun stuff. I prefer 1/8th but love it all.

10-21-2015, 10:29 AM	#3
Dan Fahey VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 2,128 Likes: 1,084 Liked 184 Times in 113 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** 1/8 mile or 1/4 mile ! If I am Drag Racing it is a good day..! Dan

10-21-2015, 01:00 PM	#4
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** QUOTE=Dan Fahey;485692]1/8 mile or 1/4 mile ! If I am Drag Racing it is a good day..! Dan[ QUOTE] Amen! JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

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Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** Beard is right! ,

10-21-2015, 06:32 PM	#7
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** Your talking about time. I'm talking about it being easier to put foot on somebody at 100. Easier for me to control that 12" at 100 MPH. Maybe not for you? Still don't care to do it. IHRA can have it. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

10-21-2015, 09:31 PM	#9
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 990 Likes: 36 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** So what about you D1, D2, D3, D4, D5, D6 and D7 drivers think about this. Do you think that your surrounding racetracks would go to 1,000 ft for "operational purposes". Ron Ortiz U/SA just trying to help our sport __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

10-22-2015, 09:56 AM	#10
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	*Re: Random thought about the HRA** Interesting math discussions. Interesting thoughts on track length. HRA s might discuss this one as it saves time, space, etc. Runs sportsman class cars through faster to shorten the event time they require. Kind of like fewer lights on the tree. A shame there are no logical people to discuss "Class racing" as apposed to the Dial in component. That might help the fan interest too but little interest to HRA.