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Old 09-06-2015, 09:37 PM   #1
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Maybe, but slim for NHRA to consider, best of luck Dan
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To be in the game you got to ask to play!
If this happens it is because we had the balls to do it together!

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Old 09-06-2015, 10:24 PM   #2
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NHRA thinks present Stock & Super Stock cars are a tech pain in the rear. Your stuff would have more strict rules. I can not imagine them adding you guys. Looser rules = easier to tech. No more cam duration checking like Stock is now. I have been through several tear downs under the old Stock rules. Cam checking was time consuming, and difficult in some engine compartments. Ask yourself why they would want to take on more of that.
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Old 09-07-2015, 03:43 AM   #3
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NHRA thinks present Stock & Super Stock cars are a tech pain in the rear. Your stuff would have more strict rules. I can not imagine them adding you guys. Looser rules = easier to tech. No more cam duration checking like Stock is now. I have been through several tear downs under the old Stock rules. Cam checking was time consuming, and difficult in some engine compartments. Ask yourself why they would want to take on more of that.
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Understand this well. Been through several tear downs.
You figure with new technology you can determine duration and lift with an AP on our phones.

Think there need to be a rethink on the Spring Rule.
Limiting to 100# Seat and fixed Spring Slection.
Measure the cam like in Stock, lift only!
Requires less time in tear down.

Again...will have to deal with it.
But going to solicit NHRA.
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Old 09-07-2015, 07:13 PM   #4
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Dan I understand you're passionate about this, but looking at Nitrojoe's IHRA stats as of May 25, I'm just not seeing much demand for it.

1/8th mile
52 traditional stock
1 FWD
3 GT
37 CM
11 PS
21 EFI

1/4 mile
27 traditional stock
1 FWD
2 CM
1 PS
20 EFI


There are over 3 times as many crate motor cars and I'm not hearing anyone clamoring for them in NHRA. It's just too many classes. With all those PS, CM, EFI, and stock GT classes diluting the field when was the last time you had a heads up?

I'm oversimplifying as this doesn't apply to everyone of course, but IHRA stock just seems much more focused on bracket instead of heads up, 1/8th mile, and lower cost cars like PS and CM. Doesn't mean it is bad, just different. I think to ever make your case you'd need to have much more PS participation in IHRA than there is currently.
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The way I'm seeing all of this, if they have pure stock with a cam lift check only, that I could take my traditional stocker, put a mech. fuel pump,stock rockers,waterpump and pulleys and run pure stock. To me that's two classes way to much alike and I don't think any sanctioning body would go for it.. Just my 2 cents worth.
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My experience has been the number of people who email me with questions.
The number one comment made preventing people from building.
No IHRA tracks nearby but lots of NHRA.
Most of the Pure Stockers are in the east because there are enough IHRA tracks.
The number would easily multiply if NHRA would allow Pure Stock.

As for crate motor classes, most cars are on the East Coast too.
However I do not see anyone from the CM racers willing to take a stand.
Which is sad!
Because these are classes that will also help invigorate Class Racing.

There was a long thread not to long ago about the future of Stock.
Well here are two solutions to help it progress!

Requires liberal doses of asking and persistence.
You want something to improve.
You got to get off your fat *** and do something about it!

Write!!

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KDanner...
My experience has been the number of people who email me with questions.
The number one comment made preventing people from building.
No IHRA tracks nearby but lots of NHRA.
Most of the Pure Stockers are in the east because there are enough IHRA tracks.
The number would easily multiply if NHRA would allow Pure Stock.
Well that's true of course, people aren't going to build a car they can't race within a reasonable distance. I like numbers, let's look at how many PS participants in each division.

If we call Div 1, 2, and 9 the East, those 3 divisions accounted for:
D1 - 4 in 2014, 3 in 2015
D2 - 4 in 2014, 5 in 2015
D9 - 5 in 2014, 3 in 2015

I see one racer listed in 2 east coast divisions for 2014, 2 for 2015, which makes the total for the entire east coast:
12 racers in 2014, 9 racers in 2015

OK, if that's the hotbed where most PS are, let's check other areas where there are IHRA tracks/races:
D3 - 2 in 2014, 0 in 2015
D4 - 0 in 2014, 1 in 2015
D6 - 0 in 2014, 0 in 2015

I just don't see the numbers, even in places where anyone could run PS right now.
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The way I'm seeing all of this, if they have pure stock with a cam lift check only, that I could take my traditional stocker, put a mech. fuel pump,stock rockers,waterpump and pulleys and run pure stock. To me that's two classes way to much alike and I don't think any sanctioning body would go for it.. Just my 2 cents worth.
Add Mufflers, Stock Spring Pressure, no fancy Roller rockers or Shubeck lifters, do not need forged Pistons, or fancy rods, no racing gas, mostly no roll bar.
Keep stock seats and seat belts which do not have to be certified.
Keep your ABS system, AC, and can put your street tires on to drive on the street if you keep it licensed.

If you want you can still graduate to full Stock upgrading, testing and so on.
All the while still racing Stock.

It is about getting more racers into the game.

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