If you could run a National event without the AHFS in place-

[D.Johns]

Still going to have people playing the game and sandbagging. Doesn't matter if the AHFS was in place or not. Guys play the qualifying game to line up their opponents for the elimination rounds. There are cars that could easily run 1.2+ under and choose not to for multiple reasons.

Again I would vote for index being national record. Bonus points and money for setting a national record would entice more people to run for it. heads up all the time. Downside cost would skyrocket.

In another class your dial in was your quickest qualifying time minus a 10th. Qualifying order was reaction time.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

Bonus points and money for setting a national record would entice more people to run for it. heads up all the time.

When you say "entice more people to run for it" you mean all 12 guys that would be left running Stock Eliminator right?

[Signman]

There is an agenda here and from replies & lack of it is obvious to any Stock / Superstock racer or student of class racing who understands AHFS and the concept of a level playing field.

[Joseph Teuton]

The agenda here is for all the cars that use to dominate their classes are now getting there butts whipped and its not fun. They cant sandbag no more and that aint fair. I am pretty sure most of the guys that have these new cars once raced an older car and most likely got their butts handed to them a couple times to many. So they went out and build combinations that were in the NHRA Rulebook, that's a big key, and started returning the butt whippings. All new cars are in the rule book according to NHRA so instead of beating this forum beat NHRA with emails.

[ALMACK]

Back on the original thread topic.

I just sent a respectful request to my division tech director asking NHRA to consider running a national event without the AHFS in effect.

I am not sure of the chain of command, but I believe it should start at the division level first. Then maybe the div. director can submit the idea to Glendora.

I believe If enough people sent similar letters or e-mails, then maybe NHRA would listen and possibly even consider the idea.

If anyone wants a copy of what I sent to use as a guideline, I can p.m. or e-mail it to you.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

The agenda here is for all the cars that use to dominate their classes are now getting there butts whipped and its not fun. They cant sandbag no more and that aint fair. I am pretty sure most of the guys that have these new cars once raced an older car and most likely got their butts handed to them a couple times to many. So they went out and build combinations that were in the NHRA Rulebook, that's a big key, and started returning the butt whippings. All new cars are in the rule book according to NHRA so instead of beating this forum beat NHRA with emails.

Respectfully Joseph
What part of "your dragpack when entered in the shootout can qualify and race against 'old cars' in the regular eliminator without AHFS is not a level palying field" cannot you understand?

Without fear of HP or needing to protect your combination if both triggers have been hit, the danger you may hit it or go 1.20 under will alter where you would be qualified and how the ladder would fall. You would think a savy racer such as yourself would find that something to exploit if not there is a bridge about 15 miles from where I sit you need to own. Either you've got more money than brains orrrrrrr there is an agenda.........

Alan
Would suggest there be no additional events without AHFS. Agree it would be pretty cool at Indy but this discussion would not be if shootout cars were kept separate.
All current events under AHFS should have all entries in regular qualifying and eliminators run on a level playing field under the same rules.
We have national opens where you can let it hang out without fear.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Signman

Respectfully Joseph
What part of "your dragpack when entered in the shootout can qualify and race against 'old cars' in the regular eliminator without AHFS is not a level palying field" cannot you understand?

Without fear of HP or needing to protect your combination if both triggers have been hit, the danger you may hit it or go 1.20 under will alter where you would be qualified and how the ladder would fall. You would think a savy racer such as yourself would find that something to exploit if not there is a bridge about 15 miles from where I sit you need to own. Either you've got more money than brains orrrrrrr there is an agenda.........

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

[Signman]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I guess the part that I am running a car that is legal within the rules of the organization I enter it in. Not one new car guy disagrees with the old cars but as it is we will run where we fit best. We did not write the rules we simply follow them.

So I take that comment as you agree there is an advantage for the "Shootout" cars.
A currently legal advantage and yes you are racing within the rules obviously That there is the issue

My posts have been meant to bring to attention the "specific" discrepancy in the rules favoring the "Shootout" cars. It isn't the old cars vs. the new here we all race together and should be under the same rules.
Actually by playin around with Bruce and the banter here shows a bit of a smug attitude by yall as well as a being bit elitist like a typical liberal would in a similar situation.

[Joseph Teuton]

I am merely stating that we looked at the best combination when building our cars as everyone else did at the time they built theirs. Ours just happen to be post 1970's. Why would we build a car that did not have an advantage..?

The smug you are referring about must be the southern in my voice! Lmbo!
Liberal..nah.

[SS3718]

Mr. Signman,
I agree that this isn't a "new" car vs. "old car" issue. But I must ask, why are sticks & autos combined in the new classes but not the old classes? Not to mention, the stick indexes were used which resulted in most all autos taking a substantial hit to their index. Should all stock and super stock classes be combined the same way?

I'm good with the rule as long as everyone is subject to the same rules. Equality for all, right? Maybe this can be corrected too?

Nick Morris
FGT/F