Seat brace stock eliminator

Bobby Fazio · 02-09-2015, 02:15 PM

Does factory seat have to be braced?

Sean Marconette · 02-09-2015, 02:52 PM

Bobby,
My factory seats were never braced but they only had 1" of space between the horizontal bar to the roll bar and the seat back. I raced the car in 3 different divisions without a problem in that configuration. My Kirkey seats are braced as there is a 4" gap to the bar.

Tech may question it if you have a large gap. In the event of a seat failure, the harness is not going to keep you in the seat very secure.

Sean

Tom Goldman · 02-09-2015, 06:06 PM

The rule book is vague in regards to stock seats ,it only directly mentions aftermarket aluminum or fiberglass seats requiring attachment to the crossbar, it does not specifically mention factory seats. See General Regulations section 6.2
Even the new COPO's come without the seat attached to the crossbar.
That being said , I have always attached the factory seats to the cross bar.
It is a simple thing to do and increases your personal safety.

treessavoy · 02-11-2015, 01:08 AM

I still have the original bench seat in my car, how would I brace the seat back when I still have to move it back and forth to get in and out past the roll bar plus I have to be close to the dash so I can use the push buttons?

JimR

HandOverFist · 02-11-2015, 01:51 AM

I really don't see a problem here. For the prior mentioned easy fix to attach to factory seat backs...I aint buyin it. There is nothing in a factory seat back to attach to...brace yes, attach to nope. There is actually some metal in the seat backs of the older cars like our Camaro...attached to the seat by a clip up top and two trim screws at the bottom lol. You guys are going to keep on until aftermarket steel seats are required in all Stockers...won't that be treat.

Jim - I would just slam the bench seat back against the crossbar in tech and move it where you want when ready to race. If you really feel a need to brace the seat back just weld an adjustable brace to the crossbar that you can pin in position.

Tom Goldman · 02-11-2015, 10:03 PM

On stock seats, I pull up the seat uphostery and if it's a bucket, weld either a tube or piece of 2"x1/8" flat stock across the back to the outer structure.
I weld tabs to this cross piece and slot the upholstery or the plastic back to let them protrude thru.....from there I either bolt it solid to a tab on the roll bar ,or if the car needs the seat to move , I use a tube with multiple holes in it between the bar and the seat.

The only bench seat I've done was on a '63 Dodge 330, there was sufficent seat frame at the top to weld a tab for attachment to the cage.
Again ,I only do this as an added safety measure to stock seats for my customers safety.
Maybe Travis or Dave Ley can weigh in on this ,as I read the rule , the requirement in Stock reads as it only applies to aftermarket seats.

Tom Goldman · 02-11-2015, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

I still have the original bench seat in my car, how would I brace the seat back when I still have to move it back and forth to get in and out past the roll bar plus I have to be close to the dash so I can use the push buttons?

JimR

Jim, I'm suprised you have never broken a seat in your car .
Jerry Stein used to sit right up on the wheel to use the buttons ,and broke a lot of seat backs.

treessavoy · 02-12-2015, 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

Jim, I'm suprised you have never broken a seat in your car .
Jerry Stein used to sit right up on the wheel to use the buttons ,and broke a lot of seat backs.

Tom,

I've never broken one but I bent a few and the current one is bent back about two inches, if they would let me use a front seat from a 4 door I would put one in. Since it's a solid one piece seat it is stronger.

JimR

impstocker · 02-12-2015, 06:52 AM

I have the same question about using a full Bench seat from a 4 door. Common sense tells me if they allow aftermarket racing seats why couldn't we use those 4 Door bench seats? I am thinking bout doing that in the 65 Implala stocker I am building. Could i call it a "aftermarket bench seat" Reality is you probaly could, tech wouldn't care or not even notice.. Old wise man say's "it not cheating unless you get caught" in racing. Smokey Yunick

Will Lamprecht
65 Impala I/SA in progress.

tj310 · 02-12-2015, 12:17 PM

Bite your tongue for trying to inject ' common sense ' ---Trevor

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Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,450 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Seat brace stock eliminator Does factory seat have to be braced? __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

02-09-2015, 02:52 PM	#2
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 977 Likes: 796 Liked 275 Times in 76 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator Bobby, My factory seats were never braced but they only had 1" of space between the horizontal bar to the roll bar and the seat back. I raced the car in 3 different divisions without a problem in that configuration. My Kirkey seats are braced as there is a 4" gap to the bar. Tech may question it if you have a large gap. In the event of a seat failure, the harness is not going to keep you in the seat very secure. Sean __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N

02-09-2015, 06:06 PM	#3
Tom Goldman VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Allentown,PA Posts: 2,477 Likes: 892 Liked 883 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator The rule book is vague in regards to stock seats ,it only directly mentions aftermarket aluminum or fiberglass seats requiring attachment to the crossbar, it does not specifically mention factory seats. See General Regulations section 6.2 Even the new COPO's come without the seat attached to the crossbar. That being said , I have always attached the factory seats to the cross bar. It is a simple thing to do and increases your personal safety. __________________ Tom Goldman 1500 SG , 1506 STK

02-11-2015, 01:08 AM	#4
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator I still have the original bench seat in my car, how would I brace the seat back when I still have to move it back and forth to get in and out past the roll bar plus I have to be close to the dash so I can use the push buttons? JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

02-11-2015, 01:51 AM	#5
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator I really don't see a problem here. For the prior mentioned easy fix to attach to factory seat backs...I aint buyin it. There is nothing in a factory seat back to attach to...brace yes, attach to nope. There is actually some metal in the seat backs of the older cars like our Camaro...attached to the seat by a clip up top and two trim screws at the bottom lol. You guys are going to keep on until aftermarket steel seats are required in all Stockers...won't that be treat. Jim - I would just slam the bench seat back against the crossbar in tech and move it where you want when ready to race. If you really feel a need to brace the seat back just weld an adjustable brace to the crossbar that you can pin in position. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 02-11-2015 at 01:57 AM.

02-11-2015, 10:03 PM	#6
Tom Goldman VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Allentown,PA Posts: 2,477 Likes: 892 Liked 883 Times in 237 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator On stock seats, I pull up the seat uphostery and if it's a bucket, weld either a tube or piece of 2"x1/8" flat stock across the back to the outer structure. I weld tabs to this cross piece and slot the upholstery or the plastic back to let them protrude thru.....from there I either bolt it solid to a tab on the roll bar ,or if the car needs the seat to move , I use a tube with multiple holes in it between the bar and the seat. The only bench seat I've done was on a '63 Dodge 330, there was sufficent seat frame at the top to weld a tab for attachment to the cage. Again ,I only do this as an added safety measure to stock seats for my customers safety. Maybe Travis or Dave Ley can weigh in on this ,as I read the rule , the requirement in Stock reads as it only applies to aftermarket seats. __________________ Tom Goldman 1500 SG , 1506 STK

02-12-2015, 06:52 AM	#9
impstocker Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Wingdale, NY Posts: 302 Likes: 27 Liked 53 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator I have the same question about using a full Bench seat from a 4 door. Common sense tells me if they allow aftermarket racing seats why couldn't we use those 4 Door bench seats? I am thinking bout doing that in the 65 Implala stocker I am building. Could i call it a "aftermarket bench seat" Reality is you probaly could, tech wouldn't care or not even notice.. Old wise man say's "it not cheating unless you get caught" in racing. Smokey Yunick Will Lamprecht 65 Impala I/SA in progress.

02-12-2015, 12:17 PM	#10
tj310 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Dresden On. Canada Posts: 460 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Seat brace stock eliminator Bite your tongue for trying to inject ' common sense ' ---Trevor