New Indexs are up

[Michael Beard]

Who "organized" that list? Good grief... Took the IT department two months just to add them in, and then it looks like they did so with a shotgun. Ugh.

I've been trying to get a simple answer out of them since November. They don't know, don't care, and my most important point & question they conveniently ignore repeatedly... didn't even bother with a "because I said so!" They even tried to tell me that they don't see where I've run a combination that's effected... I'm flabbergasted.


Now that I think about it, I am now the owner of TWO cars whose indexes are not just .30 different between NHRA and IHRA, but .55 for one and .70 for another!

[Mike Carr]

For a little easier reading:

STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FS/A 6-6.49 9.70 (old AAA/S; same index)
FS/B 6.50-6.99 10.00 (old AA/S; same index)
FS/C 7-7.49 10.30 (old BB/S, same)
FS/D 7.50-7.99 10.60 (old CC/S; same)
FS/E 8-8.49 10.95 (old A/S; same)
FS/F 8.50-8.99 11.20 (old B/S; same)
FS/G 9-9.49 11.35 (old C/S; same)
FS/H 9.50-9.99 11.50 (old D/S; same)
FS/I 10.00-10.49 11.65 (old E/S; same)
FS/J 10.50-10.99 11.80 (old F/S; same)
FS/K 11.00-11.49 11.90 (old G/S; same)
FS/L 11.50 or more 12.00 (old H/S; same)

SUPER STOCK
Class Weight Break Index
FSS/A 5-5.49 8.80 (old SS/AAA; same)
FSS/B 5.5-5.99 9.20 (old SS/BB)
FSS/C 6-6.49 9.65 (old SSA)
FSS/D 6.5-6.99 9.90 (old SS/B)
FSS/E 7-7.49 10.05 (old SS/C)
FSS/F 7.5-7.99 10.20 (old SS/D)
FSS/G 8-8.49 10.25 (old E)
FSS/H 8.5-8.99 10.35 (old F)
FSS/I 9-9.49 10.45 (old G)
FSS/J 9.5-9.99 10.55 (old H)
FSS/K 10-10.99 10.55 (old I)
FSS/L 11-11.99 10.80 (old J)
FSS/M 12 or more 11.00 (old K)

SUPER STOCK GT
Class Weight Break Index
GT/FSA 8-8.49 10.00 (GT/A)
GT/FSB 8.5-8.99 10.10 (B)
GT/FSC 9-9.49 10.20 (C)
GT/FSD 9.50-9.99 10.35 (D)
GT/FSE 10-10.49 10.50 (E)
GT/FSF 10.5-10.99 10.60 (F)
GT/FSG 11-11.49 10.75 (G)
GT/FSH 11.5-11.99 10.85 (H)
GT/FSI 12-12.49 10.95 (I)
GT/FSJ 12.5 or more 11.05 (J)

New Classes all use the stick Index; sticks and autos are combined in the new Classes. The corresponding stick Indexes are the same, new class vs old.

[shumate65]

Looks like records reset also

[Bob Nottingham]

It appears the new car records set in the old classes have been left, could be a challenge in many cases.

[denbreeden]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Who "organized" that list? Good grief... Took the IT department two months just to add them in, and then it looks like they did so with a shotgun. Ugh.

I've been trying to get a simple answer out of them since November. They don't know, don't care, and my most important point & question they conveniently ignore repeatedly... didn't even bother with a "because I said so!" They even tried to tell me that they don't see where I've run a combination that's effected... I'm flabbergasted.


Now that I think about it, I am now the owner of TWO cars whose indexes are not just .30 different between NHRA and IHRA, but .55 for one and .70 for another!

I've been trying to get an answer as well Michael. Their response to me was "why are you not a fan of these new classes and indexes"? "They do not see the problem, please explain". For me it's the same as putting Jeff or Larry in the car with me every run. Now they are both upstanding racers but I really don't want to load them in the car every round, lol. Bottom line is we are being punished for running the new cars.


Dennis Breeden

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by denbreeden

I've been trying to get an answer as well Michael. Their response to me was "why are you not a fan of these new classes and indexes"? "They do not see the problem, please explain". For me it's the same as putting Jeff or Larry in the car with me every run. Now they are both upstanding racers but I really don't want to load them in the car every round, lol. Bottom line is we are being punished for running the new cars.

Dennis Breeden

The cars positively deserve horsepower, but that's not what they've done. I'd happily take my .20 Index hit if the rest of the Factory cars also had to take the same hit.

The thing that has come to me off is that at least three officials now have explicitly avoided answering the simple question: "My index got hit .20, yet Stick cars are unaffected. Why do automatics get a weight break in all of the other Super Stock subcategories in which Stick and Automatics are combined, but not the Factory cars? I'm just trying to understand the logic."

Quite honestly, I would even accept "Because we said so," but there has been ZERO attempt to neither rationalize nor even answer the question at all. Instead, I'm now being grilled about precisely what combination I'm running, despite that being entirely irrelevant to the question (and the fact that the classification has been specifically verified in tech at more than one event).

[Jeff Teuton]

I understand the trade off is the F cars run no AHFS. I think they will just hit the cars when they 'think' they deserve it.

[Ed Wright]

Just going to have to start testing more, and working on the new cars as hard as the old cars have been tested and worked on. They still have classes to run. Indexes they can run. Just lost their easy heads-ups, right?

[SS3718]

Ed, with all due respect, being I have one of the new motors, I personally take offense to your comment about "having to test more". You act like people who race a new car/engine does not work on their combination! I understand that the older cars have been around longer, but don't make it seem like people with new cars/motors aren't working as hard as the next guy!

Additionally, in terms of easy heads ups, let's not forget the engine combination that you run and the on-track performance that your combination has shown!

Nick Morris
3718
GT/FSF

[Ed Wright]

But, Nick, the engine I run didn't run that fast the first year they were built. My car is 19 years old, the LT1 engine is 22. Lots of R&D. Just talking the last 12 months, how many cams, how many torque converters, how many transmission ratio changes, how many sets of headers, and sets of collectors do you have laying around that you tested, and are not as fast as what is on/in the car? Change rear gears, may need a different cam? Maybe bigger headers? Maybe the collectors? Do you have heads from two different shops, to find which are fastest? Ever try a different 2nd gear ratio? Besides days of dyno time? I have done all that this past year, need to have a garage sale. That is how most faster older cars are raced. The slower guys? Not so much. Does your local track contact you if somebody is renting the track for testing, to see "if you want in on this one too?" Mine often does.
I know Lloyd Wolford and his guys do. They also ran that SS/IA car Larry Stewart drove on 2 barrels most of the time. It was a rocket the first day it showed up, but they kept at it.
What is the problem? You have a class to run, and an index you should be able to run anytime. Should be fine for the bracket racing part, right? If not the easy class run offs and easy heads ups, why else so unhappy about it?