What's wrong with Stock?

[Jim Caughlin]

One thing you Stocker guys might want to consider is unintended consequences. A scenario that I could easily see happening is for NHRA to say "We have listened to our Stock class racers and per their request, we are creating a new separate eliminator for cars newer than 2008." What they are not going to mention is that a proportional amount of the payout and a good chunk of the contingiency money will be going with it. You don't really think that NHRA is going to add a new elimanator and just add the money accordingly? Also, dig out some of your older Natl Dragsters and look how contingiency money has been redistributed over the last few years, money has been added for the new cars at the expense of the older combinations. Don't be fooled by press releases about how the manufacturers are adding contingiency, it's all being feed into the new cars and dropped from the older cars. I race in SS and it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal for us but Stock needs to be careful about what they wish for, I think you guys are being set up.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

[jmantle]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

One thing you Stocker guys might want to consider is unintended consequences. A scenario that I could easily see happening is for NHRA to say "We have listened to our Stock class racers and per their request, we are creating a new separate eliminator for cars newer than 2008." What they are not going to mention is that a proportional amount of the payout and a good chunk of the contingiency money will be going with it. You don't really think that NHRA is going to add a new elimanator and just add the money accordingly? Also, dig out some of your older Natl Dragsters and look how contingiency money has been redistributed over the last few years, money has been added for the new cars at the expense of the older combinations. Don't be fooled by press releases about how the manufacturers are adding contingiency, it's all being feed into the new cars and dropped from the older cars. I race in SS and it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal for us but Stock needs to be careful about what they wish for, I think you guys are being set up.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Jim, I think what most stock racers would like to see is put the factory hot rods in SS, be it FX or whatever, and add the real stockers to the guide and let the AHFS work. I know Jeff Teuton managed to get Chrysler to add a few to the guide, I'd like to see NHRA pressure Ford and GM to do the same.

Jim Mantle
V/SA 6632

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin

One thing you Stocker guys might want to consider is unintended consequences. A scenario that I could easily see happening is for NHRA to say "We have listened to our Stock class racers and per their request, we are creating a new separate eliminator for cars newer than 2008." What they are not going to mention is that a proportional amount of the payout and a good chunk of the contingiency money will be going with it. You don't really think that NHRA is going to add a new elimanator and just add the money accordingly? Also, dig out some of your older Natl Dragsters and look how contingiency money has been redistributed over the last few years, money has been added for the new cars at the expense of the older combinations. Don't be fooled by press releases about how the manufacturers are adding contingiency, it's all being feed into the new cars and dropped from the older cars. I race in SS and it doesn't seem to be as big of a deal for us but Stock needs to be careful about what they wish for, I think you guys are being set up.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

Bill Lumbergh: Great.
Dom Portwood: So, uh, Milton has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.

[ss wannabee]

FS Fan has a nice post and I'll have to re-read it...Not trying to beat you up on the details,
BUT I think the LAST carbureted Domestic production-line car MAY have been the 1990
Olds full-size Custom Cruiser wagon with the 307 engine...(and Quadrajet)....

Think the rest of the Big-3 had switched to TBI and Port-Fuel Injection by then...not sure
why Olds hung-on with the 4-bbl engine.....

[Bill Diehl]

That CJ stocker, with the same engine platform and 60 more cubes, almost 15 to 1, 650 roller, cnc modern heads with 150 more cfm, and twice the throttle bore opening only makes 100 more HP than mine?

I might as well leave my half finished Boss in the garage then.

Don't get me wrong, I like the new tech just as much as the next guy, but lets get real here. I would like to show the world how smart I am and qualify at the top of the pack too, but how is that going to happen if they don't take a "hit" like I would if I did?

carry on

[Keith 944]

Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

Bill Lumbergh: Great.
Dom Portwood: So, uh, Milton has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.

one thing not mentioned here, he eventually burned the place to the ground!
lmao

[Jim Kaekel]

Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

Bill Lumbergh: Great.
Dom Portwood: So, uh, Milton has been let go?
Bob Slydell: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
Bob Porter: We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.

Awesome, Tracy. Is that from "Office Space" or from an NHRA board meeting?

[Run to Rund]

Many interesting older cars from the days of gross HP ratings aren't competitive and NHRA has never addressed lowering their ratings to get more "diversity" in Stock. Now we have the factory ratings going very far the other way, making everything that is old relatively uncompetitive. To make it even worse, turbo and supercharged cars don't lose power with elevation anywhere near what naturally aspirated engines do, so they are heavily favored at high altitude tracks.