What's wrong with Stock?

[Rich67stang]

8 Pages of @$%&

If everyone looked at the facts without personal gain, you cannot have new cars and old cars in the same class without major factoring to be fair.

NHRA and OEM have caused this problem.

[Andys dad]

I said at the beginning of this post – I am going to step out of character and say what I have not been saying for long enough – I have many Facebook friends who have asked why I did this. Since someone on here saw fit to quote a movie – I will do the same – from the movie NETWORK - ”I'm mad as Hell and I'm not going to take this anymore”

The following comments are from my posts which are seemingly ignored and not deserving a response from any of the intelligent people who post on this forum – LMFAO That is fine I am not trying to control what is said on an entertainment website with nothing but opinions.

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You are watching the future of drag racing - with current cars produced by the factories. Cars whose body styles you can purchase in a showroom today (not everybody who buys a car wants a race car).

I am sure we have spent more time -- on the engine and chassis dyno, runs down the drag strip tuning + changing things and money to go to more than 40 races in the last four years -- more than any of the keyboard jockeys on this website - message me to compare notes. For those of you who think we have not worked on our combination - get your head out of where ever it is and try seeing the light of day.

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When we bought ours - we knew we could not stay fast without a lot of work.
You guys on here still have not acknowledge the new cars take work to stay fast - I do not need recognition or support.- from anyone on here.
Some (on here) hope time stands still for another 40 years - it will not. How in the heck can the rules stand still with all that is going on in performance increases?
In the new world cars do not have carburetors or distributors - there is not a single current car produced today which does not have fuel injection and a factory computer.
A novel concept might be to race cars which are available today - that is what the big three think and NHRA does not disagree.
It’s about selling cars - not having a way to race nostalgia cars forever and ever and ever.

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I wish we were in our own eliminator - but I do that would stop the whining.
At the end of the day - it is not our game - it belongs to NHRA and the "big 3" - like it or not - it is about selling cars - not race cars.
Go to NHRA an get the rules changed - so far the old cars have been dismissed (mostly). Say to NHRA formally what you are saying on here.
Maybe we should stop racing our cars to show our displeasure with how the 40 year old cars have been screwed.

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"factory stock" it is a travesty and insult to many of my fellow racers - get your facts straight when you refer to me.
I never asked for a single rule change.
I am sure if the issues are so egregious they will listen and surely change them. I am happy with whatever rule change you can effect.
I consider it an insult when you accuse me of dishonorable decisions – I am entitled to make my own decisions and they have nothing to do with how you think.
The trouble is none of you have a clue on how hard it is to make one of these go fast.
You apparently think it does not take rear end gear changes, transmission gear changes, converter changes, tuning changes, valve spring changes, cam shaft changes and many other things, too numerous to mention. It takes way more than money but you do not want to believe that - you think you just spend your way to going fast – that causes me to doubt your racing savvy – spending is rarely the answer – hard work and effort usually nets performance increases.
I am a predictive analyst and studied very careful what I thought was the proper course of action – I never considered easy or money being the answer -now you choose to decide I am some sort of bad person with evil ulterior motives.
Perhaps I should have picked the most out of line 40 year old car and BOUGHT one of those -- that would have been OK – right? Or better yet - follow Larry Hills lead and find a combination that is only out of line …

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Please vote (on here) to see if we should abandon our new car in favor of a 40 year old one like we use to run. Have NHRA change the factory stock rules and quite beating up on people who love and are driven by drag racing.
Work for change with NHRA not me – except for Jeff T. - no fast car owners want to endure the insults you guys through around on here instead of working for change with NHRA.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by farmco r/sa

...Indy had vehicles from 1955 to 2014.... To quote someone
else "can't we all just get along ? "

The exact words of that famous great American were "Can we get along....can we all get along?". Everyone, for some reason, injects the word "just" into his very eloquent statement.

But, I digress.

A 59 year disparity between automobiles racing one another is quickly entering the absurd. How in the Hell could anyone argue against adding Model T's, Hudson Hornets and perhaps even a Tucker? (They made 51, so....why not?)

I guarantee you, some where there is a reliable source for the cam specs on a Franklin engine, as well as the deck height and piston weight. So….why isn’t a Tucker allowed in stock and super stock?

Drag racing desperately needs something new. I know I have no idea what it is, but try telling some 25 year old not just WHAT a WCFB is, but WHY that ancient thing costs what it does today.

Fifty nine freak’n years. It’s almost comical the pretzel we’ve twisted ourselves into for no other reason than holding on to youthful memories.

[farmco r/sa]

Originally Posted by Bunkster

The exact words of that famous great American were "Can we get along....can we all get along?". Everyone, for some reason, injects the word "just" into his very eloquent statement.

But, I digress.

A 59 year disparity between automobiles racing one another is quickly entering the absurd. How in the Hell could anyone argue against adding Model T's, Hudson Hornets and perhaps even a Tucker? (They made 51, so....why not?)

I guarantee you, some where there is a reliable source for the cam specs on a Franklin engine, as well as the deck height and piston weight. So….why isn’t a Tucker allowed in stock and super stock?

Drag racing desperately needs something new. I know I have no idea what it is, but try telling some 25 year old not just WHAT a WCFB is, but WHY that ancient thing costs what it does today.

Fifty nine freak’n years. It’s almost comical the pretzel we’ve twisted ourselves into for no other reason than holding on to youthful memories.

The reason model T's Hudsons, ETC. aren't allowed is
they are not in the nhra classification guide. It starts
at 1955 and does not have every possible combo for
every year. I would miss 55 chevy's if they were omitted.
Just love stock and super stock and hope it does continue
to allow diverse combo's that allow creativity and personality !
Is a 55 chevy and a copo racing cool or absurd ??
I think it is pretty cool...
As far as nhra needing something new it seems
they "big 3 are providing it.
And please don't speculate about someone else's
"youthful memories"

[Pat6868]

I can understand the frustration of many racers with older stockers in regards to the new factory combos. As much as many die hard NHRA members may not want to race IHRA, they do have separate classes for F.I. and carb. If every racer with an older style stocker were to race IHRA for 1 or 2 years maybe NHRA would get the message. I read a previous post that stated that one racer left INDY before even racing the eliminator. If NHRA wants only newer cars in stock eliminator then let them try that for a couple years and see how it works for them. Just my .02 Pat

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Rich67stang

8 Pages of @$%&

If everyone looked at the facts without personal gain, you cannot have new cars and old cars in the same class without major factoring to be fair.

NHRA and OEM have caused this problem.

Good post.

In fact,NHRA can't have old cars and old cars in the same class without some major factoring to be fair either.

[blkjack]

Originally Posted by stocker396
Word I have from the "ivory Tower of Glendora" is you are looking at the "NEW PRO STOCK" In the next 2 years Pro stock in its current formt will be replaced by the "Super Cars" NHRA needs to shake it up.
Has NHRA informed the current Pro Stock Teams of this? __________________

oh,that explains Dave Connolly heading for Top Fuel next year. .............

maybe you need to read up on the "Pro Stock Truck" lawsuit that NHRA lost years ago.

[Bunkster]

Originally Posted by farmco r/sa

...The reason model T's Hudsons, ETC. aren't allowed is
they are not in the nhra classification guide...

Oh, they used to be. Ask Travis Miller what used to be in that "guide".

Ask Ted Harbit what used to be in that "guide".

Go look at the current engine spec "guide" and you'll find Olds going back to 1949.

Today it's a 59 year old difference. When it's 75 years, that will REALLY be cool.

[Comp 798]

Let's get some Super Stock tears.....

[michael mercer]

Originally Posted by Pat6868

If NHRA wants only newer cars in stock eliminator then let them try that for a couple years and see how it works for them. Just my .02 Pat

They already tried that.

Page 61 1973 NHRA drag rules "Effective January 1,1974 stock class cars will be
restricted to cars of 1965 model-year or later and each year thereafter the class will
be reserved for 10 year old cars or less only."