What's wrong with Stock?

[Comp 798]

Since 2008 and the crying never stops..... some people just love to complain.

[Jim Wahl]

Yup, Bruce was right! Wow! Did I just say that? Wow.

Pro Stock MUST and WILL change, just watch! Jim


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[Gordie Kissner]

Originally Posted by Comp 798

Since 2008 and the crying never stops..... some people just love to complain.

Says the guy who probably didn't have his competitive combo with years of blood,sweat and tears wiped out with the stroke of a check for a crate engine car!

My hat is off to the racers who took their traditional S/SS cars to Indy to do battle!

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Comp 798

Since 2008 and the crying never stops..... some people just love to complain.

Comprehension problem? nhra and the oem's are committing fraud and you appear to be one of the beneficiaries. And no the conversation about this fraud will never stop until something is done to correct it. There are legal folks looking at this problem and it will probably not result in a law suit but it will impact other legal issues that nhra is now experiencing.

At Indy, I was faced with the same dilemma as Scott except my situation was a little more complicated. I thought about not running against a "new" car that had me covered by two tenths but then the first alternate was another A/SA car and I could not be certain that he wouldn't get the new car. It would have been better if the new car had to use shoe polish. I decided to give him a try in an effort to push him one second under the index. That's all I did. This car, a Challenger, started life in nhra at 305 horsepower and is currently rated at 421. And it is still underrated. After 50 years in business, nhra did not miss this gross horsepower miscalculation.

So, for those of you who are enjoying this corrupt process, I hope you really enjoy racing your ringer car$.

[Randall Klein]

Hey Comp guy, we bitched day & night about mufflers until something changed. Those in power count on silence from the impacted
Stock class was a massacre for the older cars and the time love & $ invested is not right and easily corrected with FX classes
There can be no pride in winning in an obviously mis-classed car

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Comp 798

Since 2008 and the crying never stops..... some people just love to complain.

Are the the guy that raced in E/SA & F/SA with the same combo that now runs B, C & D??????????????

[Greg Hill]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Are the the guy that raced in E/SA & F/SA with the same combo that now runs B, C & D??????????????

That's what I thought too Bob. Seems like he's been trying to sell that thing for 2or 3 years!

[FED 387]

I don't have a gun in the Stock fight but we ran a car in SS for about a year as a SS/BS. When the "factory" SS cars started to show up we decided to not participate in SS.--SO if the factory comes up with a double turbo full out hi compression hi lift camshaft you get the idea "slightly detuned" balls out motor with a hokey HP rating and accepted by NHRA tech as an EXTREMELY limited run factory produced vehicle it's legal---how do you compete with this --YOU CANT unless ya got one yourself--- I think part of the problem here is that you have multiple cubic inch engines in multiple year cars all with the latest hi tech engineering available and supersceded parts weekly with ONE intention ----TO WIN all within the current rules allowed by the association--if they want to run "Stock" they can they are not doing anything illegal but its sorta like a SS car running a Stocker--- the only way to stop this is to either have their own eliminator class much like SS/AH or to factor them correctly--it just aint fair---look what Larry Hill did--- he made them(NHRA tech) look stupid--- he took a V6 pick up truck DIME ROCKET with a blueprinted motor and totally annihilated the index--- so much for the AFHS ---hows that NHRA hp factoring working for you now--- another one shot wonder just blew your AFHS theory out of the water---my 2 cents FED

[farmco r/sa]

Originally Posted by FED 387

I don't have a gun in the Stock fight but we ran a car in SS for about a year as a SS/BS. When the "factory" SS cars started to show up we decided to not participate in SS.--SO if the factory comes up with a double turbo full out hi compression hi lift camshaft you get the idea "slightly detuned" balls out motor with a hokey HP rating and accepted by NHRA tech as an EXTREMELY limited run factory produced vehicle it's legal---how do you compete with this --YOU CANT unless ya got one yourself--- I think part of the problem here is that you have multiple cubic inch engines in multiple year cars all with the latest hi tech engineering available and supersceded parts weekly with ONE intention ----TO WIN all within the current rules allowed by the association--if they want to run "Stock" they can they are not doing anything illegal but its sorta like a SS car running a Stocker--- the only way to stop this is to either have their own eliminator class much like SS/AH or to factor them correctly--it just aint fair---look what Larry Hill did--- he made them(NHRA tech) look stupid--- he took a V6 pick up truck DIME ROCKET with a blueprinted motor and totally annihilated the index--- so much for the AFHS ---hows that NHRA hp factoring working for you now--- another one shot wonder just blew your AFHS theory out of the water---my 2 cents FED

Did Larry Hill make NHRA tech look stupid????
The way I understand it if there is no data on a
combo nhra starts the combo out at "advertised" H.p.
on all these combo's. what else do they have to go from.
Agreed auto was already rated higher but sticks and auto's are
always separated. The low h.p. rating of 155 from GM.
I am sure they were colluding with larry hill to crush V/S
index some 28 years after production?
"AHFS" will add some 40 ISH H.p. tomorrow morning
and I am sure Larry knew it going into indy....
This will never be a 2 second under deal again.
combo moves to probably top of Q stick for natural class.
Still a great job and congrats to Larry and family.