Crate Motor Pure Stock

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II

Honestly who in IHRA can still check a pure stocker camshaft?

Me but I retired about 12-13 plus years ago.....LOL. I taught Hank Blakenship but he passed away. I think your dad used to do it??? Jim Woods has emailed me a few times to get together for a teaching session but he never followed up on it. Its not hard to do but its a giant pain in the butt. Especially on newer cars. I look for classes that need this done to go away soon. It seems that no one cares to do the job anymore. To time consuming and to much work. NHRA stopped in 1986.
LIMITING VALVE SPRING PRESSURES WOULD PUT A LIMIT ON HOW WILD DURATION AND OVER LAP COULD GET AND STOP THE CRAZY EXPENSIVE LIFTER BS.......EASY TO CHECK BUT I DOUBT IT WILL HAPPEN. Its all ancient history.

[ss wannabee]

Where did the "Pure" go?

[Bob Don]

Originally Posted by ss wannabee

Where did the "Pure" go?

The same place "Stock" went.

[Alan Roehrich]

The lack of participation has nothing to do with the lack of available and attractive combinations.

Adding even more classes, and another level of difficulty in factoring will not help participation.

Let's leave the economy and expense out of it to for the purposes of this discussion, at least for now.

It is a lack of ambition, attitude, competitiveness, and drive.

Explain any Stock Eliminator class, in either sanctioning body, to most other "racers", who don't know the rules, and watch the look of shock, dismay, and disbelief. Their eyes will glaze over in about 30 seconds. Most of them will then ask you why you are stupid enough to work that hard and spend that much, to go two seconds slower than they do.

For the most part, the vast majority of "racers" today want to be able to buy all the speed they want, without a great degree of difficulty, bolt it together, and go.

That applies especially to the vast majority of the younger crowd.

If they can't buy bigger heads, more cam, more nitrous, or more supercharger, they have no desire to race.

Assemble your Stock Eliminator engine in full and plain view of most of them. The pieces are so boring to them they'll ignore it all after a minute or two, and they won't understand what they see.

The only things that will interest them in a Super Stock engine are the epoxy and welding in the ported heads, and the high end valvetrain.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by alan roehrich

the lack of participation has nothing to do with the lack of available and attractive combinations.

Adding even more classes, and another level of difficulty in factoring will not help participation.

Let's leave the economy and expense out of it to for the purposes of this discussion, at least for now.

It is a lack of ambition, attitude, competitiveness, and drive.

Explain any stock eliminator class, in either sanctioning body, to most other "racers", who don't know the rules, and watch the look of shock, dismay, and disbelief. Their eyes will glaze over in about 30 seconds. Most of them will then ask you why you are stupid enough to work that hard and spend that much, to go two seconds slower than they do.

For the most part, the vast majority of "racers" today want to be able to buy all the speed they want, without a great degree of difficulty, bolt it together, and go.

That applies especially to the vast majority of the younger crowd.

If they can't buy bigger heads, more cam, more nitrous, or more supercharger, they have no desire to race.

Assemble your stock eliminator engine in full and plain view of most of them. The pieces are so boring to them they'll ignore it all after a minute or two, and they won't understand what they see.

The only things that will interest them in a super stock engine are the epoxy and welding in the ported heads, and the high end valvetrain.

"you nailed it !"

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The lack of participation has nothing to do with the lack of available and attractive combinations.

Adding even more classes, and another level of difficulty in factoring will not help participation.

Let's leave the economy and expense out of it to for the purposes of this discussion, at least for now.

It is a lack of ambition, attitude, competitiveness, and drive.

Explain any Stock Eliminator class, in either sanctioning body, to most other "racers", who don't know the rules, and watch the look of shock, dismay, and disbelief. Their eyes will glaze over in about 30 seconds. Most of them will then ask you why you are stupid enough to work that hard and spend that much, to go two seconds slower than they do.

For the most part, the vast majority of "racers" today want to be able to buy all the speed they want, without a great degree of difficulty, bolt it together, and go.

That applies especially to the vast majority of the younger crowd.

If they can't buy bigger heads, more cam, more nitrous, or more supercharger, they have no desire to race.

Assemble your Stock Eliminator engine in full and plain view of most of them. The pieces are so boring to them they'll ignore it all after a minute or two, and they won't understand what they see.

The only things that will interest them in a Super Stock engine are the epoxy and welding in the ported heads, and the high end valvetrain.

I think Alan nailed the mindset of the majority of current drag racer, especially younger ones. If they actually were to build an engine, (instead of buying a turnkey crate motor), chances are it would have a low buck stroker kit and aftermarket heads, and often a "power adder". Look in any ND, ReherMorrison, Schafiroff, or several other big name engine shops can sell you an all aftermarket 700-800 HP engine for less than a typical good Stocker engine. 1000 HP for less than a S/S engine.
Also, it seems that the young guys in our area are not really into actual eliminataion racing. They would much rather pay less entry, get more runs, by entering the "Street Legal" races. When a few have ventured into a weekly ET bracket race, they usually lose 1rst round, and bitch that they don`t get to run anymore that day. And forget about playing with jetting or cam timing, if it won`t net them at least 1/2 second, they couldn`t be bothered. Much easier to add a blue bottle in the truck.

[FINESPLINE]

It is all about the instant gratification desire of the new generation. Nobody wants to hear about working harder on your car. If you cannot write a check, stay on the porch. They want to go fast today, not spending a season flogging a combination.

[Dan Fahey]

Struck a chord!
Stocked morphed like any class does in all sanction racing even illegal racing.

PureStockRacing.com has two classes.
Pure Stock and other Stock everything better look like Pure Stock but engine rules are very liberal.

The Pure Stock limited Spring Pressure to 130lbs. Cam lift must check on within 1% at .050 and max lift within 2% of original specs and the vacuum at idle must be 16 inches of vacuum.

Btw I am not advocating this!

What I would like to see is to invite PureStockDrags to race IHRA events using their rules. Put them into one of the IHRA Pure Stock classes. Like what was done are the Class Nationals. If they are not competitive change a few rules as the years go by.

They have to make a choice. Use IHRA Rules or PSD rules. Fall under same class that IHRA has for other PSers.

Yeah there would be dual set of rules. But they expressed desire to run IHRA races at the Class Nationals.