'67 Camaro E/SA redo - Page 22

HandOverFist · 05-02-2014, 09:38 PM

New crossmember slipped right in...it is lighter being tubular, but the shift cable interference was not improved. I ended up adding some spacers between the shift cable bracket and the pan. The end of the cable that connects to the shift arm is at a slight angle...best I can do with it for now.

I ended up swapping springs this evening instead of going to the track with the stock mono's. I felt like the housing might try to move without a locating pin on both sides of the leaf. The 150# Landrums feel just a tad stiffer than the stockers, but still good. I'm guessing the stock leafs are rated around 125#. I did have to use one lowering block to get the ride height down...it's just a little higher atm and it may settle a little after some use. Will try to get to a track tm evening to try it out.

HandOverFist · 05-04-2014, 01:05 AM

Went to the track today hoping for some good results...a mixed bag at best. The good news is I did not break anything and I did not require the use of the winch to load the car hehe.

The car repeatedly shucked out 1.50 60' times and ran 7.26's back to back. The car is leaving like the old Mopar's used to...straight out with barely any front-end upward motion. I believe I am now battling some type of carb issue as it just doesnt hit the tires hard like it once did. Don't believe it has anything to do with the spring or shock changes. The GoPro video shows nothing of real interest that I can pick out.

I had another camera pointing at the pinion, but the angle was ineffective rendering the video pretty much useless. From the above video it appears to get some pretty good rotation tho. I'll have to fashion a bracket to get the camera more in front and level with the yoke.

With only one lowering block installed the ride height is slightly higher than previous...figured I would let it ride for a bit to see if the new springs settle any.

Here are the old motor mounts I pulled out of the car. There was almost a 1/2" difference in height between the two...likely the culprit for the cracked cases.

I will keep at it until I find the bug.

bigsixman · 05-04-2014, 05:59 PM

Good luck on getting your car dialed in Rich. I hope your breakage issues are over and it is just fine tuning the combination.

brent flynn · 05-04-2014, 08:14 PM

What is your converter flashing to? its either the carb or the converter... didnt you do some 1.45's before?

HandOverFist · 05-04-2014, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brent flynn

What is your converter flashing to? its either the carb or the converter... didnt you do some 1.45's before?

I did not look at the tach yesterday...probably should have. If it turns out to be the convertor I may have to re-think this automatic deal.

brent flynn · 05-04-2014, 10:06 PM

Sounds like it is too tight... you could always try different carb, to see if that is it... My $ is on the converter... didnt look like it spun any...
What brand are you using? The videos from your prior testing, looked pretty good...but you have changed converter since then, correct? Too bad you dont have a 350 turbo in there...probably easier to find a converter to swap in ... Atleast you made it down the track... I dropped heads off today...My new cam should be coming in , early this week...

HandOverFist · 05-04-2014, 10:37 PM

Nope...same ATI convertor.

brent flynn · 05-05-2014, 06:16 AM

put a 1/4'' stroker in it...nobody will ever know...hehe

HandOverFist · 05-08-2014, 03:35 PM

Just got some enlightening info that was not provided earlier. I asked for some video of the car leaving, but none were taken...I was also not told that there was excessive body separation at the hit. Now that I have this tidbit of information it explains the results and the needed remedy...I'll put the adjustable shocks back on the car and crank up the extension as they were during the 1.45 60' outing. I really must figure out a way to self-video what the car is doing at launch...perhaps a suction cup mount for the camera just forward of the quarter panel. After this minor glitch I probably won't need it again tho. Car goes back to Bowling Green the 18th...hoping all this drama has come to an end.

modelman1960 · 05-09-2014, 09:24 AM

Hey Rich, I saw a while back that the Fazio family posted video of their SS/L Mustang launching to get advice about the launch and the suspension movement between gear shifts. They mounted the camera under the back of the car and got it so both shocks could be seen. Then made a pass. They had an answer about the issue real soon from this website. Just suggesting camera location may be more helpful than putting it on the body. I may also be completely out of order too. Just trying to help Sir.
Good luck with this way cool Camaro.
Walt

05-02-2014, 09:38 PM	#211
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo New crossmember slipped right in...it is lighter being tubular, but the shift cable interference was not improved. I ended up adding some spacers between the shift cable bracket and the pan. The end of the cable that connects to the shift arm is at a slight angle...best I can do with it for now. I ended up swapping springs this evening instead of going to the track with the stock mono's. I felt like the housing might try to move without a locating pin on both sides of the leaf. The 150# Landrums feel just a tad stiffer than the stockers, but still good. I'm guessing the stock leafs are rated around 125#. I did have to use one lowering block to get the ride height down...it's just a little higher atm and it may settle a little after some use. Will try to get to a track tm evening to try it out. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321

05-04-2014, 01:05 AM	#212
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Went to the track today hoping for some good results...a mixed bag at best. The good news is I did not break anything and I did not require the use of the winch to load the car hehe. The car repeatedly shucked out 1.50 60' times and ran 7.26's back to back. The car is leaving like the old Mopar's used to...straight out with barely any front-end upward motion. I believe I am now battling some type of carb issue as it just doesnt hit the tires hard like it once did. Don't believe it has anything to do with the spring or shock changes. The GoPro video shows nothing of real interest that I can pick out. I had another camera pointing at the pinion, but the angle was ineffective rendering the video pretty much useless. From the above video it appears to get some pretty good rotation tho. I'll have to fashion a bracket to get the camera more in front and level with the yoke. With only one lowering block installed the ride height is slightly higher than previous...figured I would let it ride for a bit to see if the new springs settle any. Here are the old motor mounts I pulled out of the car. There was almost a 1/2" difference in height between the two...likely the culprit for the cracked cases. I will keep at it until I find the bug. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 05-04-2014 at 11:32 AM.

05-04-2014, 05:59 PM	#213
bigsixman Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Crookston, MN Posts: 157 Likes: 8 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Good luck on getting your car dialed in Rich. I hope your breakage issues are over and it is just fine tuning the combination. __________________ 1969 camaro, pump gas 540"bbc, jerico 1967 camaro, pump gas efi 620", coan t-400

05-04-2014, 08:14 PM	#214
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo What is your converter flashing to? its either the carb or the converter... didnt you do some 1.45's before? __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

05-04-2014, 10:06 PM	#216
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Sounds like it is too tight... you could always try different carb, to see if that is it... My $ is on the converter... didnt look like it spun any... What brand are you using? The videos from your prior testing, looked pretty good...but you have changed converter since then, correct? Too bad you dont have a 350 turbo in there...probably easier to find a converter to swap in ... Atleast you made it down the track... I dropped heads off today...My new cam should be coming in , early this week... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

05-04-2014, 10:37 PM	#217
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Nope...same ATI convertor. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321

05-05-2014, 06:16 AM	#218
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo put a 1/4'' stroker in it...nobody will ever know...hehe __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

05-08-2014, 03:35 PM	#219
HandOverFist VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Gulf Breeze, FL Posts: 1,651 Likes: 8 Liked 33 Times in 16 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Just got some enlightening info that was not provided earlier. I asked for some video of the car leaving, but none were taken...I was also not told that there was excessive body separation at the hit. Now that I have this tidbit of information it explains the results and the needed remedy...I'll put the adjustable shocks back on the car and crank up the extension as they were during the 1.45 60' outing. I really must figure out a way to self-video what the car is doing at launch...perhaps a suction cup mount for the camera just forward of the quarter panel. After this minor glitch I probably won't need it again tho. Car goes back to Bowling Green the 18th...hoping all this drama has come to an end. __________________ Rich Taylor I/SA - 321 Last edited by HandOverFist; 05-09-2014 at 07:28 AM.

05-09-2014, 09:24 AM	#220
modelman1960 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Central N.Y. Posts: 230 Likes: 2 Liked 55 Times in 22 Posts	Re: '67 Camaro E/SA redo Hey Rich, I saw a while back that the Fazio family posted video of their SS/L Mustang launching to get advice about the launch and the suspension movement between gear shifts. They mounted the camera under the back of the car and got it so both shocks could be seen. Then made a pass. They had an answer about the issue real soon from this website. Just suggesting camera location may be more helpful than putting it on the body. I may also be completely out of order too. Just trying to help Sir. Good luck with this way cool Camaro. Walt