1969 camaro hood

[Randy Loge]

David..to my knowledge you are correct! There was also a shortage of shakers for challengers making the glass hood an available option.....

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Randy Loge

David..to my knowledge you are correct! There was also a shortage of shakers for challengers making the glass hood an available option.....

That's right.

Also, the shortage was made worse as HEMI 'Cudas came standard with the Shaker unlike the Challenger R/T in which it was optional.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by David Hakim

Maybe I wasn't driving but the 1971 Dodge Dealer Data Book is strong evidence showing the fiberglass hood option on non-T/A Challengers.

Therefore, it could have been ordered by a customer.

How do you argue that...?

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

bogus
AND...Bill Hawk has a letter from Carrol Shelby stating they built single 4 barrel 67 GT-500's with solid lifter cams 850 Corvette Holley carbs and 428 Cobra jet cylinder heads all of which is 100% bogus so where does that put your dealer data book?

It puts the data book as solid evidence the hood was an available option on non T/A Challengers.

The Shelby letter you speak of was crafted around 10-15 years ago by a man whose memory was probably a bit skewed.

The Dodge dealer data book was printed in 1970-71 and distributed to hundreds of Dodge stores.

Also, pick up a 1970-71 Mopar Service Parts catalog and go to the fuel section. There, you will see the 340/440/HEMI air cleaner baseplate part numbers listed and in the footnotes, it calls out "w/ option code N94-Fiberglass hood."

Your claims of the hood being "bogus" is very weak and without merit. .
The glass hood was listed as an available option on Challenger models with 340/383/440-4V, 440 Six Pack and 426 HEMI.

Therefore, NHRA accepted it and has allowed the hood since the early 1970s. (There are shots SS/D - SS/DA HEMI Challengers from back in '71 with the glass hood and yes, there are racers also running Shakers).

Now, how many non T/A Challengers actually had the glass installed at the factory, probably less than three units.

If it's listed as a factory option in dealer marketing materials that were printed when the car was new, that's pretty compelling evidence that even an intelligent man such as yourself would grasp.

[Frank Bialas]

Originally Posted by Alex Denysenko

What next?Are you going to find a Chrysler special order sheet that shows you could special order a aluminum intake manifold on a 70 or 71 440 six pack?

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose View Post
1969 440 six pack motors used the standard 3.75 stroke 440 crank & rods with the stock 440 harmonic balancer and used an aluminum six pack intake cast by edelbrock.

1970 440 six pack motors used the standard 3.75 stroke 440 crank & beefier rods with a special harmonic balancer w/extra weight and a cast iron six pack intake made by Chrysler.
Some early 1970 motors used the aluminum intake. Chrysler had leftovers and used them up.

[sammy pizzolato]

David i also have a dog in this hunt.my 1969 427 corvette for years was allowed the fresh air hood then one day this so called know it all came up with some so called papers that it was not legal on all big block corvettes.so how was it allowed for so many years with the likes of farmer desmuke and marty barret and so on that they allowed it.it should have been left alone and should be put back on the camaro and vette.and David is wright on the 70-71 Hemi challinger it was in Mopar parts book.i worked for southland dodge in 69-70 and James and Jerry Caro are my close friends and James carried a copy of that parts page with him.but did any of the Hemi challengers come from the factory with them NO!!! so i am looking for and old chevy parts book with the fresh air hood in it. they must have had some parts book with them in it or Farmer would not have allowed it for all those years.

[David Hakim]

Originally Posted by sammy pizzolato

David i also have a dog in this hunt.my 1969 427 corvette for years was allowed the fresh air hood then one day this so called know it all came up with some so called papers that it was not legal on all big block corvettes.so how was it allowed for so many years with the likes of farmer desmuke and marty barret and so on that they allowed it.it should have been left alone and should be put back on the camaro and vette.and David is wright on the 70-71 Hemi challinger it was in Mopar parts book.i worked for southland dodge in 69-70 and James and Jerry Caro are my close friends and James carried a copy of that parts page with him.but did any of the Hemi challengers come from the factory with them NO!!! so i am looking for and old chevy parts book with the fresh air hood in it. they must have had some parts book with them in it or Farmer would not have allowed it for all those years.

Sammy, you're talking about the L/88 hood correct?

If that's the case, it might be a hard sell to reinstate for the L36 427 390 HP 4BBL combo.

We can agree the L/88 hood was never on the 1968-69 Corvette 427 3X2 engines.

BTW, how much change did you notice between the fresh air and non-fresh air hood or was simply running more carb spacers/gaskets under the manifold that was the advantage?

[sammy pizzolato]

David no change in ET just had a jet change.if anything it was faster.just carb to hood clearance.

[Duane Eiskant II]

Ok, one more time about the single 4 428 1967 Shelby. The car has been in the guide for over 30 years, but since Billy built it, its all of a sudden bogus. Carroll Shelby HIMSELF filled out the NHRA spec sheet, that was sent to him by the NHRA to get the specs. Yes Billy has a copy of that sheet and a few letters that were sent back and forth from NHRA to Mr Shelby. This way, he had it in writing what was allowed so he would be safe in all divisions. (some divisions dont have all the information that others have). If the car was never built then why did Carroll Shelby sit in it, go over it with a fine tooth combe, drive it around the pits and SIGN THE DASH? That itself speaks volumes. If anyone would like more TRUTHFUL information on this subject feel free to message me. Its been beat to death on here before and it doesnt really need to be brought up again.

[gbur]

Originally Posted by Duane Eiskant II

Ok, one more time about the single 4 428 1967 Shelby. The car has been in the guide for over 30 years, but since Billy built it, its all of a sudden bogus. Carroll Shelby HIMSELF filled out the NHRA spec sheet, that was sent to him by the NHRA to get the specs. Yes Billy has a copy of that sheet and a few letters that were sent back and forth from NHRA to Mr Shelby. This way, he had it in writing what was allowed so he would be safe in all divisions. (some divisions dont have all the information that others have). If the car was never built then why did Carroll Shelby sit in it, go over it with a fine tooth combe, drive it around the pits and SIGN THE DASH? That itself speaks volumes. If anyone would like more TRUTHFUL information on this subject feel free to message me. Its been beat to death on here before and it doesnt really need to be brought up again.

Well said