Old vs New during rounds

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by DonatoEng

In all of these posts of new vs old performance, I have not seen one person mention AERODYMAMICS of the new vs old cars.
If new vs old engines and HP were all that mattered, then why are almost all of the SS/GT cars new body vehicles with mostly old engines ?????

Good comment, and to expand on that I'd still like to see NHRA/IHRA change the way the finish line is tripped so that ground effects of cars can no longer finish a run instead of the front tires of the car. Cars are staged by their front tires, and you can surely see how ground effects extend the nose of these newer cars far beyond the line that their front tire needs to get to to stage. However, it's the ground effects that can trip the beams at a finish line on newer cars (as opposed to the front tires only of an older car). Just like photo radar uses a sensor in the pavement on city streets to trip a camera (if someone crosses the line after the light changes), so should it be used to finish a race....thus one less advantage the newer cars have at the finish line.

I also feel NHRA can make the hp factor debate issue between older cars and newer ones an easy fix by bringing back the FI classes, thus reducing that advantage as well over older cars. My .02 worth

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

If reaction times are related to HP factors, do I get HP added or taken off? I'm confused.

Michael, now come on sir! All I was saying was new car or old car, on that paticular run (round 3) lynch would have been hard to beat.

No matter what happens y'all will have something to say. Good day

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Yes I seen that but I also see where in the 3rd round lynch was .032 on the tree and the other guy broke. Now, did he break cuz we was racing a drag pak? I doubt it, plus with lynch on the tree he would have been hard to beat anyways. Yes I know in the second he was like .100 on the tree but goes to show you that racing happens.

Joseph, I was helping Dwight Machael with his A/SA Hemi this week end. (raced Lynch in 2nd round) We had him .07 on the tree, we went 82 under, and got passed at the first MPH light....Lynch was on the brakes.

[Joseph Teuton]

Guys I'm not saying that the "new" cars are not fast. I agree the new cars are faster but until we have a place to play we have to play where we can.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

For those of you that think it doesn't mater, Keith Lynch won round 2&3 heads up against older cars in a drag PAC challenger. That's a combination that's had around 120 hp added to it over the past three years.

Greg, that Challenger wouldn't beat Sorensen's 69 Camaro. I'd bet my life on it! Not worth much, but it's important to me. :-)

[SStockDart]

For what it is worth......we got the bracket we wanted. We knew that Tibor and Doug Lambeck were faster....Tibor went out in the 3rd rd, I think....(we would have had him in the 4th round.....Doug went went out in the first. We just didn't know about Lynch's car. I could not find any history of his car, so we just didn't know......according to qualifying, we were OK......but like everyone else, things are held back, us included. We thought that we could have 3 heads up rounds before getting to Tibor, and based on qualifying, we would have been OK. We put everything we had into the Hemi and it still wasn't good enough for Lynch. So, Good for Keith...he did what he had to do. We wanted a 20-35 light figuring if qualifying times were close, we were OK....because we knew we would pick up...If Keith was "holding a bunch", a couple of hun would not make much difference.....Dwight had a 30 lite and drove perfectly....It just wasn't meant to be.

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Greg, that Challenger wouldn't beat Sorensen's 69 Camaro. I'd bet my life on it! Not worth much, but it's important to me. :-)

Sean, those are some pretty high stakes, my friend. I know that car has been running in Super Stock recently, with success. Do you believe that he is faster that DeArmond in stock form?

[Tom Meyer]

Do you think they could stay up with this stocker.1 7083 SS/DA Andrew Durham, Upland CA, '11 Challenger 9.177 10.20 -1.023. Last year Pomona 63 6633 SS/EA Joe Sorensen, Woodburn OR, '69 Camaro 10.148 10.35 -0.202

[Greg Hill]

I guess my point is that the Challenger can out run two pretty good cars easily and has had 120 hp added to it.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Tom Meyer

Do you think they could stay up with this stocker.1 7083 SS/DA Andrew Durham, Upland CA, '11 Challenger 9.177 10.20 -1.023. Last year Pomona 63 6633 SS/EA Joe Sorensen, Woodburn OR, '69 Camaro 10.148 10.35 -0.202

No, but that "stocker" is running Super stock. I'm sure it's still legal for stock.....but not a fair comparison, since we all don't know.