Wagon Train

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Bruce do you run SS? Because the men you are chatting with both do. So i would have to say that yea Bret has a lot to offer to the debate. I also believe that years of racing would imply that he has some fact to what he is saying. Now I know not everyone has been racing since day 1 like some of you but hey whos counting years at this point.

The new cars impact both Stock and Super Stock. For that reason it is an open debate for all who race in those categories. And so far Bret has only offered comical posts and nothing of substance. I'm sure you can understand that.

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

The new cars impact both Stock and Super Stock. For that reason it is an open debate for all who race in those categories. And so far Bret has only offered comical posts and nothing of substance. I'm sure you can understand that.

I'm sure you can understand it as well, as I get a chuckle everytime I'm read your post as well.

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

I'm sure you can understand it as well, as I get a chuckle everytime I'm read your post as well.

"I'm" get a chuckle out of your posts as well

[Jeff Teuton]

Is that like lol? It's Mardi Gras down here. Yall should come. Cold Beverages and beads and trinkets. Somewhere we lost the Native Americans, Europeans decented people, concerts, Rod Stweart and other famous Americans and Non Americans. LOL

[treekiller]

Not trying to rattle cages here and yes I am just a bracket racer but is it really so outrageous in these times to contemplate the idea of eliminating heads ups in eliminations? Wouldn't that level the playing field while probably also upping car counts because I would be willing to bet there are more than a few low budget stock and super stock guys who don't race as often as they would like to because their cars are just not fast enough. Have the dick swinging contests in class run offs and make everybody have a dial in and a chance no matter who they are running . I fully respect and understand the idea of wanting to make your stuff run faster than everybody else when everybody is playing by the same set of rules but that doesn't appear to be the case. Look at Dempsey pendarvis run against someone that was posted earlier. He cut a .191 and just ran the other guy down. I'd be willing to bet you he didn't even look at the tree. He probably just staged and waited for the other guy to leave. That's not fair racing . Not bashing the new cars or owners. They are beautiful but they need to be factored correctly or priced correctly so that everyone can afford one. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by treekiller

Not trying to rattle cages here and yes I am just a bracket racer but is it really so outrageous in these times to contemplate the idea of eliminating heads ups in eliminations? Wouldn't that level the playing field while probably also upping car counts because I would be willing to bet there are more than a few low budget stock and super stock guys who don't race as often as they would like to because their cars are just not fast enough. Have the dick swinging contests in class run offs and make everybody have a dial in and a chance no matter who they are running . I fully respect and understand the idea of wanting to make your stuff run faster than everybody else when everybody is playing by the same set of rules but that doesn't appear to be the case. Look at Dempsey pendarvis run against someone that was posted earlier. He cut a .191 and just ran the other guy down. I'd be willing to bet you he didn't even look at the tree. He probably just staged and waited for the other guy to leave. That's not fair racing . Not bashing the new cars or owners. They are beautiful but they need to be factored correctly or priced correctly so that everyone can afford one. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

There is a solution to your thought Gene, it is called Super Pro Bracket. Not everyone can afford that either though.

If there was no other place to race without running heads up, I might understand, but there are plenty of places to run a budget car. Many associations on here and elsewhere have great races that are low key and some don't do heads up runs. There has to be a venue for at least some heads up races. There are few as it is now. Not everyone should expect to be able to go to a National and win class, just because they want to.

We don't have a new soft car and sure don't have the funds to go out and buy the latest new hot thing. We do however, sacrifice and plan to gain the parts necessary and test our car so that, at times, we have a shot at being competitive.

All NHRA needs to do is to do even a decent job a parity, so that everyone can compete and feel that they can have a chance if they make the right choices.

This does not apply only to the old car factor vs. New cars. Look at the tears being shed over the supercar classes. Most of those racers have spent six figures as a starting point.
If you pull heads up runs out of the equation, the performance part of the equation drops away. There are thousands of those races that exist already, we sure don't need another one. We just need to fix this process.

[treekiller]

I get where you and every other guy who is a fan of the heads up deal is coming from Jim. I would imagine that guys w pre 2008 cars don't take a week off of work and drive hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles to go to a national event just to win class and outrun somebody heads up. How many times have one of these new cars just been straight up outrun by an old car? If someone wants to say well heads ups are rare that's because guys w slow cars play the ladder game to avoid them. Why not have s/ss combo races w no hp factor? Run whatever you want. Call it the dick swinging nationals. There probably wouldn't be 10 old cars on the property. With nhra being the sinking ship that it is they ain't gonna do nothing to piss off the big 3 so them and their underrated cars ain't going nowhere. The 4th or 5th rd of a nat event that you took time off of work to go to and probably spent a couple grand to get to, is not the time you wanna see one of those guys come rolling by you at the 330 mark whopping all the way down the track. Now some of y'all look at that as a challenge but c'mon. Without horsepower being taken away the old cars can't compete, in a heads up anyway. Gene schmaltz jr. 4928

[Larry Hill]

NHRA 2014 Rule Book

Page one, second sentence: "Keys to the success have been NHRA'S focus on racer participation at all levels and providing venues to race (here comes the important part) with rules designed to provide fair competition and to enhance safety."