Wagon Train

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Joseph I did some research on my combo 283/220hp Chevy II stick shift. Back in 89 it was rated at 230 and later that year it went to 235. At some point it went back to 230. In 2007 11hp was added due to a run Robin Brown made in Baytown. Last year it was reduced to 237. Not sure what it started at but after 40+ years of being run it is 17 over the factory rating. So that's a little info on my combo.

FWIW I feel Ed can say what he wants because he IS a current racer and he WORKS hard on his car. He is not a key board jockey. I think his car is awesome and if I remember right it's for sale. If you want to go fast turn key style go to Baytown and write him a check. See you there Ed.

Sir thanks for that knowledge. Was your combo ever a "killer" one?

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Sir thanks for that knowledge. Was your combo ever a "killer" one?

Well when Robin made that run he went 9.89 with a little 283 with a tiny 4GC carb(look at one you will see what I mean) 1.41 under in 2007

Tim Nicholson went 9.80 @ 132 last year in Baytown same engine

[Joseph Teuton]

Originally Posted by deuces wild

Well when Robin made that run he went 9.89 with a little 283 with a tiny 4GC carb(look at one you will see what I mean) 1.41 under in 2007

Tim Nicholson went 9.80 @ 132 last year in Baytown same engine

Sounds like a pretty good car sir.

[Ed Wright]

Joseph, I'm going to tell your Dad you are on here screwing with old men's blood pressure.

[Joseph Teuton]

Lol Mr. Ed you finally figured it out. Lol it's too funny!! Glad to see your feathers get a lil ruffled before the season!!

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Joseph Teuton

Sir thanks for that knowledge. Was your combo ever a "killer" one?

Super Stock Qualifying, Final Order
Sat, 17 Feb 2007, 09:32 PM
Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Lucas Oil Drag Racing Series, South Central Division, NHRA Sportsman Challenge at Houston Raceway Park:
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 3010 SS/K Robin Brown, Madisonville KY, '66 Chevy II 9.898 11.30 -1.402
2 4999 GT/A Shaun LeBlanc, Bartlett TN, '88 Mustang 9.027 10.30 -1.273
3 3332 SS/BM Todd Frantz, Louisville KY, '98 Grand Am 8.502 9.70 -1.198
4 45 GT/DA Irvin Johns, Charlestown IN, '02 Cavalier 9.631 10.80 -1.169
5 4346 SS/M Richard Dick Lux, San Antonio TX, '64 Comet10.746 11.90 -1.154
6 4998 SS/F Red LeBlanc, Bartlett TN, '69 Mustang 9.498 10.65 -1.152
7 3 GT/CA Jerry Emmons, Pasadena TX, '91 Calais 9.556 10.70 -1.144
8 4488 GT/AA Terry Pearson, Spanish Fort AL, '07 Cobalt 9.260 10.40 -1.140
9 4403 SS/JA Gary Emmons, Friendswood TX, '96 Firebird 10.192 11.30 -1.108
10 5348 SS/NA Randall Klein, Lincoln NE, '56 Nomad 11.363 12.45 -1.087
11 4476 GT/AA Harvey Emmons III, Friendswood TX, '05 Cav 9.333 10.40 -1.067
12 4222 SS/AH Fred Henson, Madisonville TX, '68 Dart 8.745 9.80 -1.055
13 4522 SS/DM Byron Latino, Donaldsonville LA, '90 Trans 9.149 10.20 -1.051
14 4001 SS/GA Roger Green, Walker LA, '67 Chevy II 9.803 10.85 -1.047
15 4166 GT/FA Larry Stewart Jr., Clinton MS, '87 Camaro 10.090 11.10 -1.010
16 4483 SS/AM John Clegg, Victoria TX, '88 Firebird 8.299 9.30 -1.001
17 4634 SS/CM Toby Torres, El Paso TX, '88 Mustang 8.976 9.95 -0.974
18 428 SS/CS Kevin Helms, Lindale TX, '95 Achieva 9.685 10.65 -0.965
19 4700 GT/D Ken Howell, Baytown TX, '07 Cobalt 9.691 10.65 -0.959
20 5876 SS/LA Ron Taylor, Lincoln NE, '57 Chevy 10.809 11.75 -0.941
21 4919 GT/HA Wayne Winfield, Kemah TX, '83 Camaro 10.454 11.35 -0.896
22 4789 GT/DA Hagen Gary, Youngsville LA, '02 Camaro 9.951 10.80 -0.849
23 4420 SS/BA Tim Hebert, Thibodaux LA, '65 Belvedere 9.358 10.20 -0.842
24 4039 SS/DM Michael Hanegan, Woodland Hills VT, '89 Fi 9.371 10.20 -0.829
25 4808 GT/IA Mike Latino, Belle Rose LA, '02 Trans Am 10.678 11.50 -0.822
26 443X GT/EA Dewayne Custer, Nacadogches TX, '85 Camaro 10.140 10.95 -0.810
27 4277 SS/DM William Mclemore, S. Houston TX, '61 Corve 9.404 10.20 -0.796
28 47 SS/BS Slate Cummings, Hammond LA, '98 Grand Am 9.264 10.05 -0.786
29 43 SS/LA James Paul, Ft. Worth TX, '75 Duster 10.971 11.75 -0.779
30 4308 SS/KA Pat Joffrion, Belle Rose LA, '98 Camaro 10.797 11.55 -0.753
31 478 GT/EA Ryan Baudoin, Breaux Bridge LA, '89 Camaro 10.201 10.95 -0.749
32 4733 SS/GA R.J. Torres, El Paso TX, '68 Mustang 10.116 10.85 -0.734
33 4557 GT/DA Isaac Caswell, Houston TX, '95 Achieva 10.147 10.80 -0.653
34 46 SS/JA J.B. Clegg, Victoria TX, '74 Firebird 10.662 11.30 -0.638
35 4006 GT/HA Dale Hulquist, Crosby TX, '95 Camaro 10.735 11.35 -0.615
36 4694 GT/FA Todd Erwin, Kennedale TX, '82 Camaro 10.503 11.10 -0.597
37 4208 SS/BM James Caro, Houma LA, '04 Stratus 9.123 9.70 -0.577
38 4307 SS/DM Walter Gamble, Dickinson TX, '82 Camaro 9.639 10.20 -0.561
39 4567 SS/IA Todd Dumas, W. Monroe LA, '66 Chevy II 10.470 11.00 -0.530
40 4119 GT/H Douglas Elverud, Missouri City TX, '66 Nova10.723 11.15 -0.427
41 4726 GT/JA Jim Hanig, Houston TX, '80 Monza 11.210 11.60 -0.390
42 4539 SS/JA Andre Jenkins, Texas City TX, '69 Camaro 10.991 11.30 -0.309
43 4040 SS/MA Bob Utsler, Tomball TX, '65 Chevy Wgn 11.873 12.15 -0.277
44 4046 SS/MA Warren Birkett Jr., Baker LA, '79 Regal 12.071 12.15 -0.079
45 4209 SS/JA Allen Myrick, Walker LA, '79 Aspen 11.433 11.30 0.133
46 5333 SS/AH Randy Hopkins, Scandia MN, '68 Barracuda 10.173 9.80 0.373
47 4408 SS/P Jerry Caro, Houma LA, '68 Dart 17.051 12.80 4.251






Timing data courtesy of CompuLink

[Michael Beard]

the 4.6 l Mustang GT was rated at 300 hp SAE net. The Cobra Jet version was rated at 235 with more of everything than the street car.

When the manufacturers went from gross hp ratings in 1971 to net hp ratings in1972 NHRA factored all those motors 1972 and up before they hit the race track. Al Provoast told me his wagon went from 185 to 285 before he ever went down the track. The motor I run in my car is a 71 350 Z28 motor that was rated at 330 from the factory and is now rated at 315. The same exact motor in 1972 was factory rated at 255. In those days NHRA did their job. The first time they didn't was the 94 Chevy LT1 which was rated at 275 net and allowed to run at that hp rating, and is now at 346.

Several other examples I've looked up, seems like a difference of about 70HP is ballpark for a lot of these combinations. They could've started out most combos about 50HP higher than what they did, at least get them close to the right zip code, save several years of AHFS and gamesmanship, while still being favorable combinations to buy/build.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Michael Beard

Several other examples I've looked up, seems like a difference of about 70HP is ballpark for a lot of these combinations. They could've started out most combos about 50HP higher than what they did, at least get them close to the right zip code, save several years of AHFS and gamesmanship, while still being favorable combinations to buy/build.

If you can get SS engine builder to talk about it (I may have burned a bridge) you will likely hear 70 is not at all too much.

At least they took some heat off the LT1, which has a bigger advantage in Stock than SS.
I know why, but would be in trouble again if I told it here. LOL